Your description of what an elite post up player is exactly why Hakeem did not win championships until he learned to trust his teammates and coughed up the ball. When people talk about the 2 players you mentioned with regards to their post moves, do people mention their length or jumping ability? No they don't, the one thing that is commonly mentioned is their feetwork. Post up moves is about your skills and not physicals traits. Don't get me wrong, being tall and lengthy is good to have but by no means guarantees you of becoming elite. It's your feet that does the damage.
Everyone knows D-Mo won't get anywhere near the same offer now. They are working with the Nets to take him since they feel bad. D-Mo is a not a bad investment as long has he doesn't have any long term recurring injuries. The contract is flexible and bargain and he provides upside. I don't care about the $9 million Les has to pay to find out if he is still good, but Morey does...or the injury is recurring.
It took him 10(TEN) seasons to become allstar, he was drafted in 06 and became an allstar in 2016 http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry if you count lowry's half a season under mchale as all star season then Dmo himself also had an all star half a season under mchale DMo is not perma injured hes just had one injury that took him half a year to recover from
I can buy this. I mean this whole saga has been a disaster after another for BJ. His career is pretty much on the line here. I doubt he's willing to die down like this without putting up one last fight. #seams
Well, it is for Dmo apparently. For the other several thousand cases of RFA it gets done by the book. Wtf does Dmo think he's like special, man?
Your statement has zero relevance to being elite or not elite. Ultimately, offense is looking for the best option considering what the D throws at you, but that's neither here nor there. Your physical skills absolutely matter when posting up. Jabbar had a single move that alone could make his post game elite and that was the Skyhook and the reason that was so good was because the shot release was at a point high enough that only 2 players could defend it. Hakeem's patented post move, the Dream Shake, would not have been possible at the dominant level it was on if not for his elite agility and speed. The same applies to McHale who was tall, long, and extremely athletic in addition to being smart. Shaq who had very little techniques or refinement in techniques would just bump you off, spin, and dunk on you. There was no real foot work there, just sheer overwhelming physical brutality. If you don't think Hakeem's agility or speed would make a difference in Scola's post game or McHale's length, or Shaq's size and sheer power, you are sadly mistaken!
I mentioned several times in some of those threads as well. My fresh take is he's not worth all this attention. Let that man bounce.
No it didn't he's the same level of player in 2016 as he was his last season with the Rockets, you probably just never watched him play. Lowry was the best player on the Rockets team the half season Brooks was injured and the first half McHale was here. That's a full season. He didn't make all star game because Rockets were mediocre. DMo also did NOT have an all star half a season, that is a lie. He had maybe month combined of a good basketball.
The Nets I am sure would not cooperate for 2 reasons. 1) They want to know what the Rockets know. The Rockets do not to disclose because they dont want to hurt D-Mos value. 2) D-Mos value is lower now.
Lowry was the best player before AB got hurt, that's why so many of us wanted him to start. Many of us, including Morey I believe, valued him over Conley and rated him in Tier 2 of PG's.
At this point in time there is an extremely minimal chance Motiejunas becomes a star. He is skilled, there is no doubt about that, and can be a solid contributor for a winning team. IF he can stay healthy that is, and back injuries are sketchy. That has to be a consideration with this.
false. Neither situation plays out. 1) The CBA says they can't have DMo anymore. If anything they're mad that they can't get him now should the Rockets not take him. 2) If they believe DMos value is lower, they don't need to be involved at all. They just go on with their season BAU.
This reminds me of the time when our front office signed a slightly above average power forward to a cheap deal only to have a hush hush deal on the side for a longer/more $ deal later one. The things we go through for slightly above average.
Mchale's most famous move was the up and under - similar to the ice cream man Scola. Did that require length or jumping ability? Hakeem's agility came from his feet. Shaq as you said, used his strength but what has always been underrated about him is that for as big as a man like him (just like Yao), he had great fundamental feetwork. Yes, being stronger, longer, faster can help but that is nothing if your feet are clumpsy. Barkley and Zbo are also both physically challenged if you apply your standards. Additionally, Scola does not have to have the same skillset as those hall of famers you just mentioned. He just needed to be better or as good as the players he is competing against. He does not have to be elite as those hall of famers, he needs to be elite in the current league and that should be enough.
Neither dmo nor lowry had an allstar season But to cut story short I will allow for your reaching here. So what you are saying Lowry become a star in his 5th year in nba ?
I really have to ask, did you even watch basketball when these guys played? Did you ever see how fast McHale's scoop was and how far out he often scooped it form? His length absolutely had something to do with that. Hakeem's agility did NOT come from his feet. Hakeem was naturally gifted in agility, length, jumping, and speed. Ever watch the Dream doing the Dream Shake and then watching someone with good footwork emulating it? Completely different. Shaq didn't have great footwork. He had solid footwork, showcased by his drop step, spin, dunk combo that became the "Shaq Attack". You think that would work at all if he wasn't so big and powerful? You think Yao's slow ass footwork would work if he wasn't 7'6? As for your comments about Barkley, either you never watched him until he became a Rockets when he was old and fat or are just talking out of your ass. Barkley had INCREDIBLE athleticism include a leaping ability in the realm reserved for freaks of natures. How do you think he consistently got that turnaround over giants while standing at 6'6? He also had strength and quickness to bump you out of the way and then spin right by you. ZBoy is actually pretty similar to Barkley in that regard to. Just because the average has bottomed out for post game skill does not mean the standards for elite drops. It just means most bigs suck at the post game. You can make an argument that he had one of the best post games for his time, but to call it elite is IMO wrong.
