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Rockets in negotiations with Dalembert

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J.R., Dec 15, 2011.

  1. Htown's2kFinest

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    This offseason is so short but yet so long for the Rockets. Wish Murray would sign this guy already so the team can get things going.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Ok why would you sign a guy who will make such a minimal impact on the long term goals of the team?

    Would he make us slightly better, yes...but what is the point of that when the team is not really going to be competing for a championship anyway.

    Why not roll with what you have, increase the value of your young players as assets by playing them and trade off pieces for draft picks.

    Use this year to set the course for the future.....it is a short year anyway.

    DD
     
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  3. VanityHalfBlack

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  4. RedHotRockets01

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    Ok why would you sign a guy who will make such a minimal impact on the long term goals of the team?

    Would he make us slightly better, yes...but what is the point of that when the team is not really going to be competing for a championship anyway.

    Why not roll with what you have, increase the value of your young players as assets by playing them and trade off pieces for draft picks.

    Use this year to set the course for the future.....it is a short year anyway.

    DD


    Agreed!!!!
     
  5. davidio840

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    I agree with this, but I don't think signing him to a one year deal will be that bad. The only way that may hamper our future is if Morey some how has a trade set up before the trade deadline and he will take up cap space, but what are the odds of that not getting "vetoed" :p
     
  6. Aruba77

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    Well said DD. i think at this point, I'd rather not sign him at all (even a 1-yr deal) and get a better draft pick. But making any type of a long-term commitment to Dalembert is the equivilent of overdosing on black tar heroine. The events of the last week may be getting to Morey and we may have to stage an intervention.
     
  7. ctry2582

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    Signing him to a one year deal means he's another trade chip come deadline time
     
  8. davidio840

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    Yes I that is also another reason we sign him. An expiring contract is worth more than the player sometimes.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    A one year deal though is not that impactual, and if other teams are interested in him, they could also sign him to that one year deal.

    Still he would take time away from PPat, JHill, Thabeet, we need to play those guys and get their stats up to make them more attractive to other teams.

    Signing Dalambert makes no sense, it is a complete short term move that has negative reprecussions on the long term of the team.

    DD
     
  10. LabMouse

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    Just sign him for a short term to keep the team to be a competitor, so fans can still watch the games. I am going to watch some games regardless, is anyone going to sell the rickets? I need three during this holidays.
     
  11. BimaThug

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    I didn't want to start a separate thread, so I'll post it here:

    The reason that I KNOW that Morey is not completely resigned to using the current roster as is without any (non-minimum salary) changes in personnel?

    Chandler Parsons.

    If Morey was done trying to make a trade or sign a noteworthy free agent, he would have already signed Parsons to his contract. Otherwise, he is wasting valuable development time on a high second rounder that they were prepared to buy back from Minnesota in the Flynn trade (before Flynn's physical revealed that Minnesota wasn't being completely truthful about Jonny's health, which allowed the Rockets to leverage back that pick plus Minnesota's 2012 second rounder).

    If Morey was done, he would have signed Parsons either to a league minimum contract or to a "Budinger-like" multi-year deal using either cap room or a portion of the MLE (depending on how they want to characterize it).

    But Parsons has not yet been signed.

    This means that Morey is likely working the phones HARD . . . like, right now!

    To be this hesitant to use cap space on a guy like Parsons, there has to be something we're not seeing behind the scenes. A trade. A free agent signing.

    THIS is why I think talks with Dalembert aren't just for show.


    Also, on the contract likely being offered to Dalembert, my guess is that Morey is trying to sell Dalambert on one of the following options:

    (A) $5M starting salary (i.e., the maximum MLE amount); or

    (B) Up to a $7.35M starting salary (i.e., the amount of the Battier trade exception (TPE)), but only if Sacramento agrees to a sign-and-trade deal.

    By limiting Dalembert's starting salary as such, Morey preserves maximum cap flexibility. If Dalembert takes the MLE amount, then the Rockets do not need to use their "cap room" to sign him and will therefore still have their TPEs and the Biannual Exception (BAE) to use on other players if they so wish. By accepting up to $7.35M in a S&T deal, the Rockets can use the Battier TPE to acquire Dalembert and would STILL have their other TPEs, the BAE and the FULL MLE to use on other players.

    On the other hand, if Dalembert insists on the Rockets signing him with their maximum cap space (~$8.2M if they waive all non-guaranteed contracts, more if they also move/amnesty a guaranteed contract), then the Rockets will lose the MLE, the BAE and all of their TPEs (which must all be renounced in order for a team to use its cap room).

    Just my two cents. We'll see what happens.
     
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  12. DaDakota

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    Thanks Bima.

    I personally think Morey is trying to force Parsons to play overseas this year.

    DD
     
  13. HeyDude

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    How much available cap would we have next year if we sign Dalembert to a multi year contract?
     
  14. Carl Herrera

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    Nice analysis, 'Thug.

    Maybe you've discussed this already, but do you think it's likely the sticking point is that the Rockets would only offer 1 fully guranteed year in order to preserve 2012 cap room?

    Assuming the cap stays around the same, how much can the Rockets afford to pay Dalembert next season and still have room for a (30% cap) "max" salary?
     
  15. opticon

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    All very good points.

    What do you think the Kings would want in return to facilitate the Sign and trade?

    They have a ton of cap space. What player , draft rights or draft pics do you think they would want from us in return?
     
  16. LabMouse

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    Thanks for the analysis. If the offer is MLE, I like the deal. Plan B seems to be good too.

     
  17. HillBoy

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    Matt and Adam had the fake Dalembert call into the Big Show this morning from a payphone. It was freaking hilarious!
     
  18. opticon

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    I wonder if Morey is waiting for Andris to get waived by warriors. He has 3 years left at 9 mil a pop.

    Amnesty was made for this guys contract.
     
  19. CCorn

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    GS already used theirs on Charlie Bell
     
  20. Raven

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    Dude, you've been here long enough to know that we don't refer to players as "trade chips". That's too vulgar and philistine.

    :rolleyes:

    We refer to them as "assets".

    :)
     

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