That is a very good point about the effect of dissing Hill would have on the org's rep, even if I think it is right thing to do basketball wise. I don't know why anyone would be worried about shots and Webber though. It is not like Sac doesn't have plenty of guys letting it fly. Chris Webber, as with Grant Hill, will pass to an open shooter, there is no doubt about that. If I were Orlando, and am unwilling to trade Hill for PR reasons, than I go for the glory now (involve Miller plus picks to try to get Webber). A line up with Armstrong, McGrady, Hill, Webber and Amaeche with Doleac, Oulaw, and Garrity on the bench would be the class of the east. If they could upgrade their back up guard position or center position through free agency they could make a title run if they jell (I see no reason they wouldn't unless McGrady makes problems) and Hill is 3/4 the player he was. Sac could at least get a solid swingman for years to come (pencil Miller as starting 2) plus some picks/role players, could be worse.
Desert Scar, So, your trade offer is illegal. Try it on RealGM to find out. You know there is a 15% rule on matching salaries in trades.
Which is correct, so although the Houston focus on any deal involving Orlando would be Bo Outlaw, it would necessarily follow that Houston would also have to unload some meat in that same deal for it to be advantageous to us. Agreed. The deal does not end with acquiring Bo, nor does it start there. We would have to parlay some bucks to Sacramento or Orlando or somewhere. I kinda agree also that if any deal involved Webber going to Orlando, then Detroit must also be involved .... and it would also mean they (Detroit) gets pick of the litter. That would be Doleac and Outlaw. Actually, I am under the impression that if Webber comes anywhere near the Eastern Conference, a three-way has almost got to include either Detroit or Chicago. I may even go out on a limb and say if Webber goes to Orlando, Detroit will be involved, and if he ends up with Spree in New York then Chicago will be involved. If for some reason, C-Dub chooses Indiana, we(the Rockets) would probably have a better chance at helping that along. Ah! Let me say that differently. If Indiana won Webber's maiden hand (and they are pushing hard, real hard, right now) the Rockets could be "used/want to be used/needed" in a three way ... and we would be very.very happy with the outcome. ------------------ [This message has been edited by oeilpere (edited June 06, 2001).]
I would love the Rockets to pick up Hill, but only if Cato is the center of the deal. Francis isn't going anywhere, and as long as he stays, so does Mobley. So that leaves Cato as our most tradable commodity. I love Grant's game and to me he has the best all-around offensive game of any perimeter player. He can drive and dish like a point, his midrange and pull-up jumpers are rivaled only by Ray Allen, and he is excellent without the ball in his hands. Also, by getting Hill, and assuming we keep 13 in the three-way, it would free us to get some inside help at 13 w/o having to worry about SF. ------------------
oilpere, very, very happy ?????? Oh, some names please..... ------------------ "norm, would you like to buy an indian scalp ? This deal isn't gonna make or break me Norm, so don't jerk me around." Harry Carey "Norm, if I had a mohawk scalp, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you."
I definitely would NOT be happy with Croshere. Talk about Jermaine Oneal and I start to get just a tad bit excited. ------------------
This is just a guess but could Olipiere be talking about us possibly getting J. O'neal from indiana to facilitate a webber to indiana deal?....that would sure as hell make me happy!!! ------------------
Grant Hill is not a career-crippling injury waiting to happen. He is a career-crippling injury already happened. Sign Chucky Brown. CBFC ------------------ Join the Chucky Brown Fan Club
Can't get Webber, getting Jermaine O'neil would suit me j-u-s-t fine...... ------------------ "...Do you hear 'em? They're everywhere!!! AAAHHH!!!" That's what the other teams will be saying after being shellshocked by Steve Francis and Co.
Here's some names: Jonathan Bender F 6-11 198 Travis Best G 5-11 184 Austin Croshere F 6-9 242 Tyus Edney G 5-10 166 2/14/73 UCLA '95 3 Jeff Foster F-C 6-11 242 Al Harrington F 6-9 254 2/17/80 Lari Ketner* F-C 6-9 265 Derrick McKey F 6-10 241 Reggie Miller G 6-7 202 Jermaine O'Neal C-F 6-11 226 Sam Perkins C-F 6-9 260 Jalen Rose G 6-8 225 Zan Tabak C 7-0 257 Anyone to get excited about? No. Miller, Rose, and O'Neal are untouchable. Other than that the only one who excites me is Zan Tabak (Remember the times) Other than that I don't see anyone else helping the Rockets. Bender and Harrington won't help much, Croshere's overpaid, and McKey and Perkins are in their twilight. Explain to me how this helps us. ------------------ "Oh No..." -Bill Walton in 97 just before Stockton's buzzer beater
There are rumors going around about a Wally Szerbiak (Minn) for Marcus Fizer (Chi) trade. Could this be the start of Webber heading to the Knicks? ------------------ One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
If C-Webb chooses the Pacers, there is no way O'Neal is leaving. He wants someone to do the dirty work for him, which would mean O'Neal would stay. Perkins, Tabak, or Croshere don't qualify under that. ------------------
I think it is pretty safe to say Hill can still come back and be similar to the player he was since he is only 28, and in just four regular season games after his injury, he averaged 14, 6, and 6.(PPG, RPG, APG) ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
Unless the trade is rather "mega"-ish: Croshere (can play 4) and, uh, damn, what's that forward's name? (he's in the last year of his contract, waste of cap space) to Sacramento; Webber and Cato to Indiana; Jermaine O'Neal to us. Croshere is from California; he might like the trade. I'd take Jermaine O'Neal in a heartbeat. Lot less expensive than C-Webb. Points, boards, and blocks. Croshere would be OK. But I still want to know if C-Webb wants to play here. ------------------ [This message has been edited by ROXTXIA (edited June 07, 2001).]
OP is saying it without saying it!?!?! Read between the lines? Croshere and one of their youngsters(hopefully Oneil)if Webber goes to Indiana. What would we give up? or Bo Outlaw or maybe Hill if he passes a rigorous physical if Webber goes to Orlando. What would we have to give up? What would Detroit have to give up? ------------------ Fuggetabout it
I don't understand the 3-way "helper" team matchings, oielpere. Why would one team be more likely to help with certain combinations than others? Why would we not be able/willing/asked to help with a Sac-NY/Orl trade, but would be able/willing/asked to help with a Sac-Indiana trade? ------------------ What is daylight savings time? And if we are saving so much of it, who's got it all? - Mike Warnke
I think you mean Derrick McKey right? He's a good defender, but I think he'd be buried in the rotation. Even behind Langhi. That trade would also make the Kings very, very weak inside. Croshere is a finesse player, not a dual player like Webber. That wouldn't be a great thing for a West team *see Phoenix*. [This message has been edited by NYKRule (edited June 06, 2001).]
Man, if we could give up Cato and get a player like O'Neal, I would be "dancing in the streets" as Clutch (or was it Doc Rocket?) said a while back concerning the other possible trades. ------------------ What is daylight savings time? And if we are saving so much of it, who's got it all? - Mike Warnke
*sigh* I effectively help squash a rumor from turning into speculation about Hill coming here, and all I'm doing is squeezing a balloon. Out pops pops to leave ideas in our heads about O'Neal, Bender and Harrington, as if Sac would do a sign-n-trade with anyone for scraps. Hey Sac....if we can't get Webber straight out in free agency because he chooses Indiana, can you help us get O'Neil and Bender, instead. You understand, you are going to lose him anyhow. You might as well bend over the barrel for us, too (as Clutch likes to say).
Heypartner, Here's a trade that might work for you, although I'm not sure if they would part with Hedo. I'm assuming that Webber would get $12.8 million in his new contract. Orlando sends Outlaw to Houston. Orlando sends Hill to Sacramento. Sacramento sends Hedo to Houston. Sacramento sends Webber to Orlando. Houston sends Walt to Sacramento. Throw in draft picks where you feel they would be appropriate. The trade works with last years numbers. With 01/02's numbers: Sacramento would send out $14,016,080 & take back $15,865,250. Orlando would send out $15,927,750 & take back $12,800,000. Houston would send out $5,000,000 & take back $6,278,580. I then took the numbers from RealGM for next year(or is that this year?) & tried a trade by plugging in miscellaneous players that totalled close to next years numbers & it still works. The revised numbers that worked look like this: Sacramento would send out $14,121,709 & take back $16,623,410. Orlando would send out $16,078,000 & take back $12,990,469. Houston would send out $5,045,410 & take back $5,631,240. Sacramento would get Hill/Walt(expiring contract). Orlando would get Webber & actually drop salary to help in their pursuit of Davis. Houston would get Outlaw/Hedo & only use up about $1.3 mill of cap space. The only question is would Sacramento trade Hedo & would we want him? Any kind thoughts? ------------------
