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Rockets have been researching refs and how they are calling games

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by motleydeflep6, Apr 28, 2019.

  1. BigDog63

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    FWIW...I think they would have a better case i(for THEM suing) if this officiating bias is clearly directed against the Rockets.

    If it is league wide, then it would need to be a class action suit...and they'd have to get the other owners to participate in it.

    It clearly IS possible for fans to sue...as they did just that over the Saints playoff game.

    Personally, I think there is a fair to good (to certainty?) chance this is DIRECTED by the league. Warriors drive seats, and the league wants more seats. The Rockets? Not so much...mainly BECAUSE of what has happened due to the way they've conspired against them. Rockets are the evil empire in this story....most people want the 'good guys' to win, and despite how laughable the notion of the Warriors being the good guys is to any hard core fan....it isn't hard core fans that drive seats. Its the casual fan, who may not even watch unless specifically interested. Those people like the Warriors, and, whether the league set that up to happen or not...that's where they are focused on driving seats (or viewers).
     
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    AWESOME
     
  3. DavidRocket

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    So I’m assuming us fans don’t have an issue with Mark Cuban? I for one don’t have a problem with him. He gets hate on here because he owns the Mavs.

    But seems to me he “gets it”. That’s alright in my book...
     
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  4. a time to chill

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    I like Daryl Morey. Let the data do the talking. I'm tired of the same tripe being said every time officiating screws over a team. It's a lie that officiating doesn't impact the outcome of a game, because it clearly does. Anyone saying that the Rockets should still win despite bad officiating is dumb. Officials should be held more accountable for their bad calls. League should be transparent in how they are dealing with the issue because it impacts the league's integrity.

    I'll just leave the video below as a reminder to how bad officiating almost cost us a regular season game against the Warriors when the official looking straight at Durant didn't blow the whistle when he went out of bounds.

     
  5. RayRay10

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    I mean, it’s not rigged, it’s just that the Rockets are starting at, on average, a 13 point deficit every game against the Warriors.

    I mean, sure, if the Rockets hit their shots and get some lucky bounces, they might be able to overcome thy deficit by the end of the game, but that’s not the point. Why are the Rockets starting at a 13 point deficit every game against these guys?
     
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    Can you explain what you mean by this? The reports are explicit about what is or isn't a foul, I'm not sure how there are multiple ways to count them, as you are suggesting.
     
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    We should all do our part to spread it like a virus. Eventually, the NBA will have to do something, if critical mass is achieved. Right now, they've done the math, and decided its better for them for the Warriors to win. A huge backlash is what is needed to change that, and not just from Rockets fans, but from everywhere.

    I was going to send Silver a tweet, but his twitter is mysteriously gone now. Couldn't take the heat (yet clearly not willing to do anything but add gas to the fire).
     
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    Because the league wants the Warriors to win, and the Rockets to lose.
     
  9. count_dough-ku

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    I'd say that's rigged. It's not like the Rockets are getting screwed against every team they face. The Jazz series was called more tightly than this. There were some free throw disparities in favor of Utah in a few games, but Jazz defenders were NOT allowed to land under Harden or CP3. Gobert even tweeted about it yesterday after Game 1.

    It looks like the Rockets seem to have the refs screw them over primarily when they face the Warriors. And given how Golden State benefits from favorable officiating against other teams(Clippers in the previous round, Cavs late in Game 1 of the Finals last year, Game 2 vs the Pelicans last year), it sure seems like it's rigged in favor of the Warriors.
     
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    Agreed. When a casino has a smaller edge on its customers in roulette or craps than the Warriors get in a basketball game against the Rockets... okay perhaps “rigged” isn’t the right word, but it certainly isn’t something that should be downplayed or ignored!

    Fans want transparency, and fairness. Just like engineers are bound to comply with design codes and specifications, universities seek accreditation, and banks require insurance, professional sports require accountability.

    Fans need to create their own independent organization that would garner prestige overtime, which professional sports leagues would want to seek the approval of - which without it would make the league equivalent to wrestling.

    I.e. NBA officiating meets the compliance of “blah blah specifications”.
     
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    No. Read the article. This is coming from THE LEAGUE's internal team, NOT the Rockets own data scientists. According to NBA officials, the Warriors got a net gain of +93 in a 7 game series. Saying there were missed calls for both teams implies it was at least somewhat close. In reality, the Rockets won the ONLY game (game 2) out of 7 where the Warriors didn't get a double digit advantage from the refs. This isn't a conspiracy. This is raw, unbiased numbers coming from the league's internal office.
     
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    Continuing from my independent organization idea... let’s call it Fair Play LLC or dot com or whatever.

    After a game is over, this organziation would deem if the game is certified “fair”.

    (Like how Rotten Tomatoes certifies a movie “Fresh”.)

    This website would have to be 100% unbiased and objective. Would be interesting to see what its database would look like...
     
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  13. Deckard

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    Not true at all. The league’s own data shows the wide disparity of calls. The fans of other teams are likely unaware of the truth, or are casual fans who don’t understand that this impacts not only the Rockets, but the other teams of the league as well.
     
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  14. Bruce Bowen

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    I've been high school official for over 10 years. I don't like nor reward flopping. I am less inclined to call a foul if a player has continually tried to fool me. He/she does not get the benefit of the doubt. I have so many players falling before the get a shot up trying to create some type of contact. If you're out of control I'm not going to reward you.
     
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    Then isn't this biased reffing? You won't call an actual foul because of previous actions and decided then and there to change the rules of basketball.

    I commend you on not calling fouls on flops and recognizing them as flops but a foul is a foul regardless of previous actions.
     
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  16. Bruce Bowen

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    How do I know the contact was real? How do I know in a split second if the player is exaggerating the contact? It's not bias... it's trying to call a fair game
     
  17. a time to chill

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    I can't wait until refs are replaced with robots. Should've been done in baseball by now. It's only a matter of time before refereeing becomes automated in all major sports.
     
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  18. Bruce Bowen

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    Lol
     
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    We aren’t talking about flops. I’m not a fan of them, either. The Jazz were flopping all over the place and I complained about it. We’re talking about legitimate shot attempts from 3 where an opposing player deliberately stepped back or forward to get under the feet of the shooter. That’s exactly how Leonard’s season with the Spurs during the playoffs ended a couple of seasons ago. He was seriously injured because Zaza “whatever his last name is” deliberately stepped under him. That’s why they made the rule, to stop what Klay Thompson was gleefully doing multiple times during the game.

    The foul is considered so dangerous to the opposing player that it’s supposed to be either a flagrant or a technical foul. None of the fouls were called yesterday. Zero. Had they been, we would have won the game, despite Capela’s disappearing act. Also, Harden’s shooting percentage would have increased and he would have had a lot more free throws, including extra FT attempts due to the flagrant or technical fouls. If they had been called within the rules, as they should have been.
     
  20. Reeko

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    well good for u...what u do in your little high school games means absolutely nothing

    Harden is trying to tricks the refs all the time yet they continuously allow him to average 10 or more free throws a game for almost a decade...u think they’d catch on by now to all his “trickery”

    he is getting fouled, and then once we play a team like GS in the playoffs they act blind...

    they are undercutting him on his threes...I guess Harden needs to get 1 of his ankles injured in order for something to be done
     
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