Rockets GREAT Photographer Bill Baptist slurs Kamala on Facebook

She is a hoe. Look at how she started her career.

 

No way. Dude has the right to express himself peacefully.

 

Sure you can respect what Morey did and I respect it too that said that was also a personal opinion expressed on social media that doesn’t have anything to do with the job. If we’re talking about consequences to the bottom line what Morey did actually has a bigger impact since that cost the NBA the largest market in the World.

My point isn’t the content of the speech but The unforgiving punishment towards speech. That you and others respect what Morey posted goes more to my point that if we only consider protecting non offensive speech that really isn’t protecting speech. In this case I can fully agree that what Baptist posted was offensive yet also feel that it shouldn’t cost him his livelihood.

As far as a hill to die on I like Clutchfans but I hardly think debating it here is a hill to die on. Anyway I’ve already said the NBA has a right to fire him.

 

Only the 5 or 6 sissies of cfs.net give af.

 

the irony in all this is that Trump is the biggest hoe in government

How many times has he cheated? How many pornstars did he pay off?

 

Thing is though, this guy is a much higher profile person than some rioting fool.
I refuse to try to make two wrongs = a right.
We are better than that.

 

I agree that pretty much everything you do now is up for scrutiny but that is why I’m arguing as I am in this cases I think this is a real problem in our culture.

 

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Relax you uptight church lady.

 

But what aspect of our culture? And what's the solution?

Is it the aspect that consumers shouldn't hold companies to moral behavior?
Or is it flawed that employees are representatives of the businesses they work for?

I work primarily in marketing. And businesses today go through great lengths to talk about their people as a reflection of their brands. Go to most websites and businesses trumpet their people, values and culture.

When an uber driver treats women badly, we talk about the problem with Uber's misogynist management
When an airline employee is awful to a passenger, we blame the airline as being responsible as well

I get it, it's a very severe punishment. But I am unsure specifically what to change.

Should Sheryl Swoopes keep her mouth shut and not say she was offended? That doesn't make sense.

Should the NBA not terminate his services and give him another chance and say we give people a 2nd chance? If I am the NBA, I fire him without hesitation. Why take the risk? Photographers are a dime a dozen.

It sucks. I get it. It's like walking a tightrope. But this is part of being a professional these days. Not because of our culture but because society was never designed for the era of social media where you could broadcast all your thoughts and feelings to the public world and have a record of it.

Never post anything political or controversial to your social feeds - ever. Keep it all positive, g-rated, and sanitized. You want to express your opinions - do it anonymously.

 

To use another clique, I don't think we should sink down to their level.
But that's just me.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...gizes-saying-defecate-Sarah-Palins-mouth.html

Is this better than calling someone a “Ho”?

 

I’m not going to pretend to have the answers but the closest things I can say that we need more of is forgiveness and perspective. In this situation he posted something that was offensive but it wasn’t something that had to do with his job. He’s a photographer he’s not a spokesperson for the NBA he’s not even someone in the front of the cameras. I think it’s very problematic if we start considering that everything we say and do away from our work is a reflection on our employer and vice versa. I think that’s a lack of perspective regarding our roles as individuals. Also while this was an offensive post it’s not as though he was molesting people or stealing. Yes speech can be harmful but again it’s a lack of perspective to consider this so harmful as to cost someone their livelihood.

Forgiveness is the understanding that everyone makes mistakes and has said and done things they might regret. This idea that one post or a few seconds of video can ruin someone’s life is very dangerous. It leads to a tribal, resentful, and paranoid society which is what we have.

One story that has gotten far less attention in 2020 than it should is that Christian Cooper forgave Amy (Central Park Karen) Cooper and didn’t want her charged. In that case I think she was intending deliberate harm and just making a crass insult in Twitter, but Christian Cooper should be celebrated as a model for our society.

 

During a court deposition, Ivana Trump—Donald's first wife and mother to Eric, Donald Jr. and Ivanka—accused the president of raping her in 1989. The private account was described in former Newsweek reporter Harry Hurt III’s 1993 book, Lost Tycoon. It details the alleged "violent assault," in which Trump pulled out fistfuls of his ex-wife’s hair after receiving a painful operation on his scalp.

"He jams his penis inside her for the first time in more than sixteen months," Hurt wrote. "Ivana is terrified.… According to versions she repeats to some of her closest confidants, 'he raped me.'"
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-tru...-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531

 

So, go on social media, post that and make sure you make it public and include your employers name.

 

Damn...

I actually agree with you..

T_Man

 

Yet you hide behind a monitor...

I wish you would come to the North East side of Houston with that BS...

T_Man

 

I totally agree with your general sentiment and would also cite Yu Darvish’s handling of the Yuli Gurriel slanty eyes gesture as a model of how I wish more people would behave. Also Andrew Yangs reaction to the comedian who made racist/insensitive remarks.

But I am of two minds on this issue. One of the problems with social media and culture today is that people for some reason feel compelled to just spout off whatever happens to be on their minds without any thought. No, I’m not suggesting censorship is good and cancel culture can be extreme. But I personally don’t think society has improved with the advent of social media and the penchant for people to spout off whatever they want without any thought. I’m not sure it is good for people to be this engaged with each other, this often, and in this thoughtless and oftentimes brain dead way. With as many public social media incidents that have cost people their jobs and worse, you’d sort of think people would know better.

it is beyond dispute that the NBA was smart in severing ties with Baptist. They have a business to run and photographers are easy to find. Would it be nice if he were reprimanded and somehow suspended instead of basically cut out? I think so. I actually have spent time with Baptist before and he struck me as an exceedingly nice person. I wish this had not happened to him and hope there is a second chance for him down the road, perhaps after the election. .

 

Throughout human history, poor speech didn't just cost you your livelihood, it cost you your life. And that of your entire families.

Because of social media and how it works, everyone is a spokesperson for their employer. Anything you say on social media can create a headache for your employer, and your employers will cut ties versus dealing with that headache. This isn't about forgiveness, it's about corporations being risk averse. Cooper was forgiven and that's wonderful. But she still lost her job.

I hope people forgive Baptist. I agree that this is overly severe a price to pay. People make mistakes and are capable of growth. However, forgiveness and change isn't going to ever get him his job back. The NBA isn't mad at him. The NBA wasn't slighted by him. The NBA made a cold rational decision that they will quickly fire someone who is a threat to tarnish their brand in any way. They may even feel for him and think he is a great guy who just slipped up. None of that matters. They don't care. What they care about is that this guy is a potential problem and they don't want to deal with it and so cut ties.

This goes beyond individuals and comes to the idea of modern branding - that the products and services we consume are part of our identity and ethos. We saw this with the whole Goya thing were people boycotted or supported Goya for views of his CEO. It started long ago - with Pizza owned by pro-life CEO's or shoe companies that employed sweatshops overseas.

This goes beyond political correctness because to a large degree - the corporate world created all of this - cast their brands as having values and character as a means to sell more product. How many people buy brands based on the values of the brand? Brands such as Ben & Jerry's championed these types of relationships. Nearly every company has a division dedicated to creating goodwill and position the company as a moral leader.

So now consumers expect companies to live up to their lofty brand positionings as a whole and that makes the employees of companies a target for any bad behavior.

Just think about this - politicians including the President can get away with saying openly racist things, but starbucks employee would get fired in a heartbeat for saying the same thing. Let me ask you this - if Baptist worked for WWE, do you think he would have been fired?

 

And he paid a price...

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/martin-bashir-resigns-msnbc-sarah-662111

 

He absolutely has the right to express himself peacefully. He also had to face the consequences.

I am happy to hear that you fully support Kaepernick and other athletes who peacefully express themselves.