Yeesh unless he can teach him at age 22 how to actually dribble a basketball I wouldn't get my hopes up
I would give up Phoenix #10 pick if that meant we rid ourselves of Jalen Green. I would give up Jalen Green, the #10 and another future Phoenix pick if that meant we rid ourselves of Jalen Green. Jalen Green + FVV + 2025 Phoenix 1st + 2027 Phoenix 1st for Kevin Durant and Grayson Allen. Gitterrdunn Moray and Milkhair. Or a better trade where everyone wins: Phoenix Out: Bradley Beal, Kevin Durant, Grayson Allen Phoenix In: 2025 Phoenix 1st, Jalen Green, FVV (declined option), Nic Claxton Houston Out: Jalen Green, FVV, 2025 Phoenix 1st, 2026 Brooklyn Swap Houston In: Kevin Durant, Grayson Allen Nets Out: Cam Johnson, Nic Claxton Nets In: Bradley Beal, Nets 2026 FRP
1) PHX tear it down trade PHX: FVV + 10 + Cam W (maybe 2027 PHX FRP or 2027 BRK or 2028 ROX FRP) HOU: Durant renounce Tate 2) PHX wants to be competitive PHX - HOU - BRK PHX: Claxton (BRK) + Cam W (HOU) + Whitehead (BRK) + Drew Timme (BRK) + #19 BRK: FVV (HOU) + Brooks (HOU) + Allen (PHX) + #10 HOU: KD (PHX) + Cam J (BRK) Just a quick thought
only hangup I have with Durant is injury concerns…he could miss 15-20 games next season but when he’s on the court, I think he’ll continue to be elite so then I look at it like, Jalen barely misses any game, but he’s consistently below average to mid…82 games of mediocrity with occasional elite play while being utter trash in the playoffs or maybe 62 games of elite play in the regular season and playoffs if KD ever averaged 13 ppg on 37% shooting in a playoff series, it’s because he had torn both Achilles, had a left arm amputation, and had community acquired pneumonia Jalen was getting praised because he shot 35% from deep on the season…if KD shot that low, we’d be asking if he has nerve damage KD the last 5 years: 28, 7, and 5 on 53/42/88 splits and 65% TS KD the last 2 years: 27, 6 and 5 on 53/42/85 splits and 63% TS mind u he takes 19 shots a game we’re going from someone in Jalen shooting 17-18 shots a game on 42% shooting and 54% TS to someone shooting 18-19 times a game on 53% shooting and 63% TS Suns were 33-29 with KD this season, 3-17 without him the Suns were 35-40 with Devin Booker
How many 6’11” guys have good handles? There are only a few. Jabari can be valuable as a good defensive player, rebounder, spot up shooter, and in a well designed offense almost automatic in the mid-range. Would it be nice if he has handles like Durant, Chet, Wemby, sure. Those guys are considered elite. We need elite players buy not every player on a team is elite, some are just really good role players. It’s amazing to me that so many folks are willing to bet against Jabari growing into a great role player at 30m and are adamant that we need to pay 30M or more for one of the worst pg’s in the league that has no chance of being anything more than he is right now.
FVV for KD feels like a move into phase 3 Green & Jabari for KD doesn't feel like improvement. I do not think FVV & Amen will be a good back court and it pains me thinking of watching Fred & KD for 2-3 more years
TBF I am only for paying FVV if that means his salary can be used to acquire another player at the trade deadline (or before). Somebody like Garland or Tyrese or Lamelo or Fox or Suggs or Murray or McCollum or Derrick White or Trey... maybe Jrue (but prolly not)
FVV declined option? You can’t trade FVV if you don’t pick up the option or at the least extend him. If you extend him he becomes less of a trade asset, because most teams would only take FVV because his contract would be expiring. There is not a big market for FVV unless someone needs a backup PG bad enough to pay a monstrous premium (because the Rockets are stupidly going to overpay him).
I thought the reason they put his decision off was so they could trade the rights to decline his option to a team like Phoenix. Basically his numbers can immediately come off the books because of that. Rockets trade the contract as is, Phoenix declines the team option thus freeing up 45m dollars.
Oh, I'm personally pro this trade assuming the Rockets don't give up too much draft pick compensation. Most I'd add to this deal myself is #10 and I may even ask for their #29th pick as a swap in that case. I'm just laying it out there that if the Rockets make this trade, it would mean the front office is a lot lower on Jalen Green than fans think.
My understanding is the only way FVV can be included in a trade is if he opt’s in (or opt’s out & resigns maybe?) w/ The Rockets. This has been discussed several times this off-season on these boards so maybe someone with more of a handle on this situation can check me on that understanding
No. You can't trade a contract that has expired. For all intents and purposes, FVV's contract is expired unless the Rockets accept the team option. NBA also won't let nonguaranteed money count as salary in a trade. NBA has some good lawyers and don't want teams to circumvent their trade rules. The Rockets pushed back the team option deadline in case some team wants to trade for FVV even though they can't decline team option. It isn't ideal as it causes 1st apron issues this coming season, but the Rockets aren't going to close options on getting players making $40M+ as those are usually great players even if odds are really low. FVV has no problem cashing a $44M check.
Nah you can't really do that. What they can do is basically negotiate a figure that's just high enough for salary matching purposes in a big trade. For instance if the Celtics want to trade Brown, the Rockets pick up his option, send him and picks to Boston, and Boston can get under his salary in one year.
Only the Rockets can exercise the option. Fred cannot be traded otherwise. The 3 possible outcomes are: Rockets decline the option and Fred becomes unrestricted (he gone!) Rockets exercise the option and Fred stays one more year for $45M Rockets exercise the option and trade Fred
Some of you guys are falling for all the misinformation out there. We have no idea what is true and what is not, which has been reported. It's like this every year. Any reports about trades should be taken with a grain of salt, especially when it comes from mouthpieces of orgs.
4th option that will likely happen: Rockets decline the option, FVV becomes an unrestricted FA, but Rockets outbid other teams using early Bird rights (he's back!).
Why did both sides agree to extend the deadline of the option if that was possible? If they can't agree on an extension before declining the option, it's over and Fred is gone. However, based on rumors, it seems extremely unlikely the Rockets decline the option let him walk.
