I'm sorry, you weren't comparing Marc Jackson to Michael Jordan were you? I'd say the only thing they have in common is their inititals.
Please don't make me explain the difference between a top lottery pick missing a season after putting up monstrous numbers his first, and a player who came out of literally nowhere, had some decent games and then spent a good portion of the year on the DL. Yeah, that doesn't describe Mark Jackson.
I don't see how ANYONE could dissaprove this deal seeing as Todd MaCulloch, got 36 million! And he averaged what, 4 and 3? And what about Calvin Booth? We are, (as clutch would say) making out like bandits on this one! Next year with Mo back and Griffin far ahead in his development, our frontcourt should demand quite a lot of respect! Get a grip guys!
Jesus, I should've known people wouldn't comprehend that when I posted it. All I'm saying is that MJ had a bad injury early in his career... so did lots of other players. The point is, they were not injury prone for their entire careers. That's all I meant.
The guy doesn't have limited range, he can shoot from about 17 to 18 feet out, and he has decent low post moves. He is a solid rebounder, grabbing roughly 8 rebounds per game on a depleted team, and he did ok scoring wise. With a better backcourt and more stable system I think he can put up about 15 to 16 point per game and grab about 8 to 9 rebounds. He's a work horse, one of the players who makes up for what he lacks. Barkley was also considered slow footed, but it didn't stop him from rebounding, and scoring down low, and that's all we need.
But at the same time, others were making the point that lots of players have played a good run of 50 games and then dissapeared. Both sides have valid arguments.
This is a gamble signing. *IF* Jackson can continue to provide 13-7 play, with outside touch, and stay relatively healthy, Teams around the league will be screaming bloody murder for a DPE signing of a center averaging 13-7 and averaging just 4 mill per season. The total value is about half of what we paid for Cato over the same length. Assuming Jackson doesn't fall on his face, this is a nice deal. The Rockets probably had to make it long term, to make it very undesirable for GS to match it. Jamison is going to make the max, and Dampier, Foyle, and Fortson have big money, long term deals. On a side note, if the Warriors match it, we've found a way to tick off Fegan, through client Troy Murphy. Jackson is a Philly guy, which will work well with Griffin and Mobley. Because of Cato's ability to suck, and the uncertainty of Mo's future, this was a gamble the Rockets were kind of forced to make. He may actually help Cato in practice, because the Rockets don't have a guy with Jackson's size and toughness. Compare with other big men signed this summer: Marc Jackson: 6 years, 24 mill Calvin Booth: 6 years, 34 mill Shawn Bradley: 7 years, 40 mill
Was Todd MacCullough a good signing? I don't think so, and to me this is saying, "Hey, we aren't as stupid as the Nets", which isn't exactly high praise.
Please don't make me explain the difference between a top lottery pick missing a season after putting up monstrous numbers his first, and a player who came out of literally nowhere, had some decent games and then spent a good portion of the year on the DL. Please don't make me explain how one season doesn't make a player injury prone... Yeah, that doesn't describe Mark Jackson. Sure does... I suggest you get some game film.
I'm not happy with this at all. This guy just has bust written all over him. There was a guy named Yogi Stewart who had a great rookie season with Sacramento a few years back. He blocked shots well, rebounded good and even scored here and there. He looked like a very promising young C who had some big games. Jackson is the same thing and I just know he's gonna bust here. I guess CD thinks he's a long term solution or he wouldn't sign him for so long... I guess he'll be better than Cato or Collier but I've heard his whole game is an open J and he is absolutely terrible on defence. Like, he'll score 10 and let in 15. If that's the case, I'd rather have Cato at C. Cat, Marc Jackson's post game is average and he is said to have a terrible work ethic. There's been rumors that he ballooned up in weight and was kicked off the goodwill team for it. He can make any excuses he wants but there's gotta be something to it. He was also said to have an attitude problem behind the scenes. and PLEASE don't compare him to Jordan. Jordan had like 35ppg his first year in the league. I think the expectations for him were known by the end of his 2nd year. Weak arguement. VERY weak.
YOU'RE RIGHT CAT. ACTUALLY I LIKE JACKSON MORE THAN TAYLOR. HE ISN'T AFRAID TO REBOUND , WILL NOT SHOOT ALL JUMPERS,PLAY HARD, AND WILL POST UP. PLUS HE SHOOTS 80% FROM THE FT.
I just can't figure out some people, for chrissakes. There was doubt that we could even get the ******* excepction, we got it, made a quality signing that definetely fits a need, while most of us (myself included) were already giving up on any hopes of making the playoffs, and STILL people find something to complain about. We are paying FAR BELOW market value for the guy. I mean, I may have been against the signing of Rice, but this is definetely outlandish. Trolls. Yuck. Try as I might have tried back then, i never would've been able to sink this low.
I'm not happy with this at all. This guy just has bust written all over him. There was a guy named Yogi Stewart who had a great rookie season with Sacramento a few years back. He blocked shots well, rebounded good and even scored here and there. He looked like a very promising young C who had some big games. Jackson is the same thing and I just know he's gonna bust here. I guess CD thinks he's a long term solution or he wouldn't sign him for so long... Did he average 16 points and 10 rebounds as a starter? Cat, Marc Jackson's post game is average and he is said to have a terrible work ethic. What the hell are you talking about? Almost anyone that talks about Jackson knows he has an excellent work ethic. There's been rumors that he ballooned up in weight Completely unconfirmed... He was also said to have an attitude problem behind the scenes. Link please... I think the expectations for him were known by the end of his 2nd year. Weak arguement. VERY weak. Please don't compare him to Yogi Stewart. Weak argument. VERY weak.
Hey Swopa, have you heard anything about Marc Jackson having a terrible work ethic and being a cancer behind the scenes. From what I heard and seen of the guy he is a hard worker and seems to be easy to get along with. I'm just happy to have frontcourt help is already thin. And at least he has done something in the league, I guess it beats McCoy. I'd rather have Jackson then go out there with KT and Cato, and very little afterwards. Either way, it's not easy to go out and get a young 6-9 big man who put up 13 ppg and 7 rpg after losing our starting PF for the year just weeks before training camp!
Jackson worked out at Westside on Wednesday. Fox showed a clip of him and Cuttino talking. Jackson didn't look out of shape.
BTW, I bet Franchise's chances of signing that extension next year have just gone up a lot as he surely is pleased to see that management is willing to make the moves to improve the team.
So, I guess you wanted Mason? Or was there someone else? Really, I think that this is a great deal for the Rockets. We all knew that a frontcourt of Cato, Thomas or Griffin, and Rice was not enough to get us to the playoffs. Now with Jackson, Rudy has some flexibility in doing his line-up plus he can go back into his original plan of bringing EG off the bench. The only question is does MJ play the 4 (replacing Mo) or does he play the 5? I think for now it would have to be the 4 despite how bad Cato has been. When I read that the Rockets had been given the medical exception, I wondered how long it would take to get this done...I never expected it to be this fast! Thanos: You mentioned something about a trade involving Moochie and Walt going to GS for Mookie and Sura. Would that be a part of this Marc Jackson deal? Does anyone else, like pops, know about this?
I concur almost entirely with NIKEstrad's post (9/28, 6:05 p.m.) analyzing the Rockets' offer. Regarding Jackson's attitude/work ethic ... I read the rumors about him not working out & gaining weight like everyone else, but I never saw or heard anything to back them up. He does have a bit of an ego, though. He was quoted in a Philly newspaper in late March as follows: "It'll be an interesting off-season," said Jackson, busy setting aside 15 tickets for family and friends before last night's game. "Last year, only a couple of teams that I worked out for were interested, but the Warriors wouldn't release me and they wouldn't trade my rights. Now this year, it'll be more interesting because the Warriors want me, but now everybody in the world wants me. "I'm not going to take a lesser role, and the Warriors organization knows that. I'm not going to let them turn me into a jump-shooting center, either. For example, they may want Antawn Jamison and Danny Fortson to work the post area, but want me to stand outside and shoot jump shots. I'm not going to do that, either, and they know that." I think the Warriors' coolness toward re-signing Jackson in large part reflects their dislike for having a rookie mouth off to them about exactly what his role is going to be.
I would have been fine if Jackson was signed to a short 1 or 2 year deal. A 6 year deal for a guy that was injured a good part of last season is a joke. I could go on and on about why Marc Jackson is a bad signing, but I've done that already. I don't care to re-hash it, that's what the search function is for. We need a shotblocker, not a 5th scorer when Mo comes back... Also to answer your question, I'd rather not sign anyone than sign Marc Jackson to a 6 year deal...
