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Rockets emerge as threat Warrior (Grantland)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by 18pbr, Oct 23, 2015.

  1. fryjol7

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    I love the rockets, I really like the lineup, but let`s not pretend that Harden and Lawson suddenly are great defenders.

    Steals are not neccesarily an indicator of the complete defense. We have a lot of steals because we play the passing lanes, that´s the roster we built, and we did build it with that in mind.

    Harden and Lawson are great at steals, but I want to see them as isolated defenders at the low post before calling them + defenders. And this is something that is going to happen a lot, specially with Lawson.
     
  2. vlaurelio

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    If you watch the rockets, harden is a pretty good iso on ball and low post defender
     
  3. cdrive

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    If you want to talk about isolated, low post....or post up defense. Then my friend, Harden is not only a great defender. Harden is an ELITE post-up defender.

    Harden ended last year in the top 10 in defensive win shares. At the start of the season he was leading, and a leader in defensive rating. But all the injuries, especially Howard's absence, forced him to focus more on offense. But he never let up on d to where he was back to being a - defender that you had to "hide". There is a difference between hiding a guy, and letting your 2 better defenders guard the hardest defensive assignments. Beverley and Ariza saving energy on the defensive side is not going to translate on the offensive side any where near Harden. Last year we saw Harden do some incredible things on the defensive side, and not just against SGs....against Dirk, Boogie, Randolph, etc. He's tough enough to guard 1 thru 4.

    And you can't tell me that Lawson isn't an improvement against a "deer in the headlights" rook like Johsnon, or the sloth-slow Grampa duo of Terry-Prigs.
     
  4. rocketman4325

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    Agree 100%
     
  5. BigShotBob

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    Harden always seems to do pretty well playing defense in the post. IE Against Randolph and Griffin last year if I remember correctly. But that's from the eye test, numbers probably don't back it up.
     
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    Lowe continues to think talking about Howard's farts is interesting/funny
     
  7. vlaurelio

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    Yep these guys are battle tested for sure. We've got two guys with rings and played important roles and a guy who was the best player of his team during their lone finals appearance and another guy who stepped up his game in the playoffs to help catapult his team to their only finals appearance
     
  8. acsorelle4

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    WE ARE THREAT WARRIOR!
     
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    Did I read that right "emerge" ? The team played in the WCF with two starters out...and just now we have emerged? LOL.
     
  10. fryjol7

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    I`m going to slightly disagree on some parts and accept your poins on others

    Lawson is a size disadvantage clearly. I have no expectations here to shut down people, and that´s not the reason he is here. I`m fine with him playing the lanes, but remember please that one of the issues from our PGs last year was their failure to avoid penetration. That´s my biggest fear.

    Now, Harden, I believe you guys are right, last year when guarding the 4s he had to sometimes he was great. But again, his go to movement was swiping at the ball, something he is very good at, as showed by his steals numbers. I want to see fundamentals too.

    What I`m really worried now is about the combination of both. I´m not really worried about the 3 position, not even when we use Ariza at the 4. We will have Brewer to cover there. Now, let´s put in ourselves in a situation where Ariza is guarding the rival´s main perimeter player. Then you have to take care of the other 2 between Lawson and Harden.

    I guess what I`m trying to say is that we will have some matchups where this really worries me.

    OKC: Ariza goes with Durant, who stays with Westbrook?
    Cleveland: same thing with Kyrie.
     
  11. SKTTLZ

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    Appearing on billboards throughout Houston soon.
     
  12. cheke64

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    Lol. We get owned by them everytime. Clippers, spurs and OKC are the threats
     
  13. vlaurelio

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    No one can stop those two

    And less than a handful can slow them down

    At least Lawson can almost match them on offense and make then work as well hopefully get then to commit more fouls than usual
     
  14. fryjol7

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    Valid point!
     
  15. LabMouse

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    No, Beverley can stop Westbrook. He can even take him out of the game.

     
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    I'm banking on the Spurs self destructing or crying in the playoffs falling short

    Spurs...they really didn't own us..couple losses were by a few points coulda gone either way and we had injuries

    OKC...well there are an anomaly but we beat them last season and what happens when our bench faces their bench
     
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    Lawson played poorly on defense last year but he has shown in the past that he is a good defender. Lawson requires motivation and drive to play good defense and not take off. Winning teams create extra motivation through win streaks, improved seating, etc. that affects the players. Lawson will play better defense this year.

    Curry is the worst defending PG in the league and is visibly slower when he has to defend great players. Still incredible but instead of 30 with 50% shooting, its more like 23 with 41% shooting. Little things add up and Lawson is a huge addition. Warriors are due for an ACL tear.
     
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    putting the gsw hate to the side, this is not true at all. he's not the best but he actually has made strides in this area and gives significant effort on this end.
     
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    Dwert Horawd and Jamie Harben in:

    Threat Level Warrior
     

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