Rockets, Blazers discussed a Mo Taylor-for-Derek Anderson swap?

A little follow-up, in no way, shape, or form am I saying this is going to happen. I wouldn't be shocked if it did happen, but all that was told was that the trade is being talked about. I mean, who wouldn't be interested,am I right?

 

Not that it matters at all what I think, but I believe you.

 

I Believe.

 

I want to believe, I seriously do.

Les seems to always make big moves so who knows?

 

Thanks for the insight TimmyB. You're right, everyone would be interested, but I think thw fact the Rockets are discussing it is interesting. With TMac's and (probably soon to be) Yao's max contracts, I think most of us would never have believed that they would even remotelt consider adding another. On the other hand, it really seems as if they are willing to do just about anything to make this team a championship team.

Like someone else posted, I wouldn't all be surprised if there would be a 3-way between us, Portland & NJ to make this deal. It would possibly explain the rumors leaking of the Rockets & Portland discussing players for trade. Plus, NJ was really high on trading for SAR last summer. I guess I would be shocked if Portland wouldn't want to keep Kidd to themselves, but maybe it's a situation where Kidd wouldn't want to report or play there.

 

i doubt it. Yao's extension is coming up and Kidd's Max runs what, like 5 more years? And he is over 33 and injury prone..........I would still crap my pants if it happened though

 

Well, I tried to take a shot at seeing what might work in a three-way scenario.

Houston trades: Andre Barrett (No games yet played in 2004/05)
PF Maurice Taylor (7.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.8 minutes)
C Dikembe Mutombo (4.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 0.1 apg in 13.4 minutes)
PG Reece Gaines (2.6 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.8 minutes)
Houston receives: PG Jason Kidd (13.7 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 7.6 apg in 35.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -0.7 ppg, -2.7 rpg, and +5.8 apg.

Portland trades: SF Darius Miles (12.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 26.7 minutes)
PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (15.7 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 35.2 minutes)
Portland receives: PF Maurice Taylor (7.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.8 minutes)
C Dikembe Mutombo (4.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 0.1 apg in 13.4 minutes)
PG Reece Gaines (2.6 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -13.7 ppg, -3.2 rpg, and -1.4 apg.

New Jersey trades: PG Jason Kidd (13.7 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 7.6 apg in 35.3 minutes)
New Jersey receives: Andre Barrett (No games yet played in 2004/05)
SF Darius Miles (12.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 26.7 minutes)
PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (15.7 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 35.2 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +14.4 ppg, +5.9 rpg, and -4.4 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

There were BYC players involved in this trade, so this trade is subject to the BYC provisions of the CBA. Due to Houston, Portland, and New Jersey being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Houston, Portland, and New Jersey had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out unless trade exceptions were used for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


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Does this sound all that unrealistic?? Hey, I would easily throw in our first-rounder to either NJ or Portland and a second-rounder to the other team.

Yes, Kidd's contract is huge and he had injury problems, but have you had a look at how he has been performing in the last 10 games or so?

To all people who say "we cannot pay three max guys", I think we could, we would just pay Kidd the money some scrubs like Taylor and others would make combined.

Somehow I think Les and CD would be bold enough to pull the trigger if a chance presented itself...I'm hoping!

 

Thanks, guys. Mogrod, if the trade were to happen, it would more than likely involve the players mentioned in that earlier post involving Houston, NJ, and Portland. And to be honest with you, it makes sense. Look at some of the possible players involved from that trade scenario. J Kidd, SAR, D Miles, and Mo. Either those guys are disgruntled with management or are in the last year of their contract. Jason Kidd is still at ends with NJ management for not resigning K-Mart and Luscious Harris. D Miles can't get along with Mo Cheeks. If the Blazer management didn't suspend Miles themselves, what would that have been saying to Mo Cheeks? Darius is gone. SAR is in the last year of his contract, and Portland will either play out the season with him, or get something worthwild for him. And as for Mo Taylor, well, I'd be shocked if he plays another game in a Rockets uniform. Has anyone really even noticed that Mo Taylor hasn't been there? I realized it when they started WINNING. The Blazers would win by getting Krstic, giving Mo T a chance to play again, and getting another number one pick via Houston aka The Blazers are getting younger. The Nets would win by getting rid of Kidd's contract, saying "Hi!" and "Bye!" to SAR after this season, and by clearing up a considerable amount of cap room aka the Nets are rebuilding by clearing up as much money as they can because the new owners are putting making a profit a higher priority than winning basketball games. Did I mention the Rockets would be getting Jason Kidd? (That is, IF this trade happens)

 

And I am not talking about the post right above me. I was talking about the much earlier post that started all this Kidd talk.

 

Rationale for my hypothetical trade scenario based on the reported rumor

Why does Houston do it?

To get Kidd, obviously. Kidd, T-Mac, Yao Ming...what a dream team! Yes, it would be risky, because of Kidd's contract, but how long did Stockton play great basketball...these guys are great because they know how to pass, and you have to take a risk and make bold moves if you want to try to win it all. In my hypothetical trade scenario, we would need to sign some backup center to help out Yao Ming. Of course, we would also still need to add a bruising rebounding power forward of the Cato mold of last year as body guard for Yao at some point, but our core would be amazingly good.

PG: Kidd, Sura
SG: Wesley, Sura, Barry
SF: T-Mac, Bowen, Gaines
PF: Howard, Padgett, Weatherspoon
C: Yao Ming, someone that would need to be signed quickly (Pig Miller comes to mind )

Why does Portland do it?

It seems pretty clear that Shareef will not re-sign anyway. Miles, who is still under contract for a long time, is talented but recently had a huge fight with the coach and just seems to be a cancer. Maybe that could change with a change of scenery, but it seems like he has worn out his welcome in Portland. So they get rid of a malcontent and get something back for a player that would not resign with them anyway. Portland would probably have to receive a pick in this deal to make it work.

Why does New Jersey do it?

Their GM recently stated that he is not even listening to offers for Jason Kidd. Well, Orlando's GM said that their priority would be to re-sign Mobley and we all know what happened with that. Kidd's contract is huge, he had demanded trades previously, and even though they are doing better now with Kidd and Carter, Kidd and Carter will not be enough to win. They are so desperate for an inside presence that they even picked up Elden Campbell off of waivers. With Shareef, they would get an all-star caliber forward (it would either have to be agreed that he would re-sign or they would clear a huge amount of cap space), and Miles, no matter what, is still a talented player. They would get a lot younger and their core would be quite talented, athletic and marketable, with Carter, Jefferson, Miles, Shareef (if re-signed) - they would, after a not so good season this year, possibly be able to add a decent point guard and/or center through the draft or a draft-day trade. This would be a trade to help them build for the future.

TRADE ACCEPTED

 

If and only IF this Kidd thing were to actually happen, would it be premature and/or ridiculous to start drawing comparisons to what happened the year we traded for Drexler right before the trade deadline? Awww, it's awfully tempting.

I want to believe it but it just still seems to be an unlikely possibility. If CD can pull it off though, I'd be more than willing to admit I didn't have the proper amount of faith in the man's deal making abilities.

 

Murderous.

Put it this way: if you were the Rockets, and had the option of paying Taylor 9 mil per for the next 2 seasons, or not, would you do it?

Mo Cheeks is practically a lame duck coach already. Miles is still a pretty good talent.

And taking back MoT's contract, to play backup power forward to Zach Randolph for 9 mill/yr for the next two years is worthwhile because...?

So Mo Taylor is a zero for the Rockets, but gracing Portland with the opportunity to play him again is a "win"? The Blazers have had 4 first round picks in the last 2 years (Telfair, Outlaw, Khrypya, Monia), 2 of which are the high school variety, the other 2 being Euro prospects, as well as 2 foreign projects picked in the 2nd round (Sinanovic and Jin). Their star player doesn't turn 24 till the offseason. I don't see getting younger as a priority, and I don't see them looking at the Rockets' mid-late first round pick as a tremendous boon.

And now New Jersey, made to be the "cash strapped" team in this deal, with pretty much nothing outside of Krstic and Collins up front (which isn't much to begin with), gives up that 21 year old F/C making around $1 mill per year for the next couple years for salary flexibility? So New Jersey can pay Darius Miles to come off the bench behind Carter/Jefferson?

I hate to say I'm doubting your 3rd hand sources, but yeah, I'm doubting your "sources".

 

With some of the moves the Blazers have made (Pippen, trading Jermaine O'Neal, drafting Telfair as a PR stunt), would you honestly be surprised if the Blazers got Mo Taylor? And yes, I know Telfair has had a good couple of games, but is he really the answer at point guard for that team's future, or was he marketing's quick fix to sell a few more jerseys cause he's Lebron's boy? As much as I like Darius Miles when he does play hard, when he doesn't it is just disastrous. How would the Blazers not get rid of Miles' inconsistent game and underachieving ass if they had the chance? As far as Krstic goes, I just went off a previous trade scenario that was thrown out there. I'd be shocked to see him go too, but you never know until it happens.

 

Because Miles contract still runs until 2010. Even if Cheeks is a lame-duck coach already, Portland is trying hard to clean up its act, and what Miles did was pretty inexcusable. Plus, it is not exactly like he has been setting the world on fire this season either. Mo is owed 18.75 m for the next two seasons. Miles is owed 41.25 for the next five seasons. Maybe they have just realized they don't want a headcase like that locked up until 2010 on their team. Shareef is gone anyway. So if they can save a lot of money, get a chance to rid themselves of a malcontent, get a first-round draft pick this year and have a player as a backup to Randolph whose performance, on their team, might really not be that far below what Miles has been doing (bad free-throw shooter, no discipline, inconsistent offense, bad influence in the locker room), then they might just want to do it.

No, it is addition by subtraction (getting rid of Miles) and getting a first-round draft pick on top of that. Mo Taylor should be a solid enough backup. Would Miles start at PF over Randolph anyway? No. Miles could start as SF, but they could also play Patterson at SF and not lose all that much.

I am not saying it is probable, but I don't see it as "murderous" either. Basically, they would get Taylor instead of Miles, and Taylor's contract is much shorter and cheaper if you look at the total money still owed - plus, they would get a first-round draft pick, and would solve a huge chemistry problem.

 

short of injecting him w/ Bill Walton's DNA, getting Kidd would be the single biggest boon to Yao's development I could imagine. then again, Osama bin Gundy might just suck all the life out of J-Kidd is he came here. still, i don't see NJ giving him up for SAR. sure, they're desparate to get stronger inside, but Kidd's what makes that team go. w/o him, no way Air Meadowlands plays to the level he has the last few games.

 

Kidd to Rox from mouth of son of friend of insider who said -- yes to story's truth and if you have your kid tell everyone about Kidd I'll keep giving you inside tips.

At least now we know why JJ was traded, to make room for Jason.

 

Gotta laugh at yourself once in a while to loosen things up...I'm fine with the Rockets now as is, but if they want to put fear back into some of the upper echelon teams in this league, it wouldn't be a bad start. Either that, or we'll become the awful experiment known as Hakeem-Charles-Scottie, except this time we won't be set back years because we traded a disgruntled star for Walt Williams. Either way, the 6 seed is ideal against Seattle with or without a possible blockbuster trade.

 

If this happens, Carroll Dawson will be up for sainthood.

Actually, scratch sainthood. CD will perform his next miracle and trade himself for Jesus. And while CD is ascending into heaven and taking his spot at the right hand of God, Jesus will start working the phones for Stromile Swift.

 

Thanks for the insight TimmyB34. I hope you are right.

 

This is the problem. It isn't simply Taylor's contract for Miles' contract. Miles is still putting up serviceable numbers and is extremely young. Miles actually has a reasonable case- in the 10 games he has started this year, he's put up 16.6-7.1 with 1.8 blocks, 1.5 steals, and a 50% FG%. Those are downright good numbers.

Miles' problem is with Cheeks. Cheeks is in all likelihood gone. He was a holdover from before Patterson's tenure, and he's not performing as a coach this year. If Cheeks is gone, Miles gets a new slate.

As far as the team chemistry goes... "I have seen worse. I was in Milwaukee with Anthony Mason, and this was nothing." This was said by Joel Pryzbilla, not exactly a grizzled veteran. Where's the chemistry problem? Again, it's between Miles and Cheeks, not Miles and the Blazers.

Shareef is still a 15-8 PF in an off year. That's still worth something, and if Portland can't get something now, they can try a sign and trade later and get a pick for Reef alone, probably.

And if Portland is trying to clean up its image, getting a guy who has been suspended twice for pot is not the way to do it. They can simply let SAR run out, and find a serviceable backup for their star much cheaper. Plus they have to stash Mutombo on their roster to be a 5 mill center and Reece Gaines for another mill or so next year.

Which it won't.