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Rockets better without Brooks

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AvgJoe, Nov 14, 2010.

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  1. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    Defense does not have to start inside. Obviously it helps to have a defensive presence inside, but the fact remains that we don't and perimeter defense is just as important, even more so against good shooting teams. What we do have on our team though, are PG's who are not defensive liabilities and can start as well. Quit looking for what don't have and focus on what we do have.
     
  2. choujie

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    Manu/Parker are both better defenders than Ab/Martin, so there is no comparision.

    When bigs have to rotate out to cover guards all the time, rim isn't going to be protected well, and they are bound to get fouled out quicker.

    DD, You are making too much excuses for AB/Martin when they are widely known to be two of the worst defensive guards in NBA.
     
  3. BucMan55

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    Oh, teams have certainly not hit as many wide open 3s the past few games as early on. But they certainly have missed more wide open 3s.
     
  4. choujie

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    When you see how Rondo impacts the game defensively from peremeter in a good way, you should see how AB impacts the game defensively from peremeter too, in a bad way.
     
  5. choujie

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    They are not that wide open anymore. Ish covered up quicker, Lowry prevent it by fight through screens instead of going under 5 feet.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    Yeah, well let me know when we have Rondo no the Rox.

    DD
     
  7. The_Yoyo

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    FACT: all those teams had a BETTER record than the Rockets did when the Rockets faced them

    in that sense yes they were better than the Rockets there is no debate about that


    you can debate that the Rockets are the more talented team of course but when they played the last four games each of their opponent had a better record at the time of the matchup so at the time they were better than the record because you are only as good as your record. There are no extra brownie points for having more talent if you cant translate that to wins.

    EXCUSE: Saying those teams were horrible when their record at the time of matchup did not indicate that they were worse than the rockets

    that being said should point you back to this post:
    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5723576&postcount=260


    As for Ish where you think I thought he was a bad passer I NEVER said that. I said he was making the right passes just not making those passes on time and thus resulted in turnovers. And I mentioned this before considering that the SL was his first few days with the team and the players that should have been expected. I wasnt too clear on this when I originally posted this back in July. A full summer and training camp later he is more familiar with the guys and is making the right passes now.

    So while you try to put words in my mouth you can take those condescending ;) and take them elsewhere
     
  8. choujie

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    That's not the point. The point is peremeter defense has a big impact on the game.
     
  9. chenjy9

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    You are being cheeky. You know as well as any basketball fan that the point he was trying to make was that you need D on the perimeter. While we don't have Rondo the player, we do have players who can step into the PG position and play D. Any degree of D from the point position is better than what AB gave us, which was none.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    Kyle Lowry is going under EVERY pick in this game against the Bulls and they are nailing jumper after jumper on him from the elbow.

    So much for Mr. Defense....that is the same D that AB does....

    It has to be the scheme........

    DD
     
  11. DaDakota

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    You said you were unimpressed with him and all his passes were late...it's ok, you don't have to admit it...it is on the board if anyone wants to look it up.

    I don't condescend at all, I just know I am right.

    :grin:

    DD
     
  12. choujie

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    What is the purpose for Lee to be on the court now?
     
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    Came in here to say the same thing. Lowry is getting absolutely lit up by Rose, if that were AB there would be 4 threads by now.
     
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    Lowry is just not good enough defensively to justify puting him in over Brooks.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Brooks would be getting lit up too, but at least he woudl be scoring 20+ points too.

    That is the reason he starts...they are leaving Kyle Lowry all alone on the perimeter...they are not even guarding him.

    You know why? Because he is a flawed backup PG..who can't shoot...

    This game is proving EXACTLY why we need AB, same as the Washington game....you have to be able to score the ball too....

    DD
     
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    Imagine how you would feel not getting your contract extended after busting your A$$ last season.

    Why play D?
     
  17. flamingdts

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    You cannot be serious.
     
  18. choujie

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    Against Tom Thibodeau's defense, it's not a given AB would socre 20+ in a effient way. See Martin. It's more likely Rockets won't play good defense for long stretches.

    I'm not saying AB won't help though. Anything is better than nothing for 2nd unit when nobody could score in 2nd quarter and beginning of 4th quarter.

    AB is good for providing 2nd unit scoring.
     
  19. larsv8

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    Oh give it a freaking rest. You Brooks haters are out of control.

    You all claimed Lowry was a better "floor general" because he had higher assist numbers after playing with closers. Suprise, suprise Lowry plays increased minutes his asists go down and turnovers go up. Our half court offense, when the game slows down in the fourth, was practically non existant. They scored freaking 18 points before we scored 1.

    You all claim he is a better defender, yet Rose goes nuts on Lowry.

    You are dellusional and just making excuses at this point.

    Brooks is a better player, end of story. He starts, he plays, he excels. If his shot isn't falling fine, then Lowry can have his shot. If he is getting lit up, fine, send in Lowry to see if he can slow the guy down.

    Kyle Lowry is just not good enough to play more than 20 minutes a game in the NBA. Ive said it before and I will say it again: "Brooks may not be good enough, but Lowry is NOT the answer"
     
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  20. DaDakota

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    Ouch, preach on preacher !

    DD
     

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