None of those players started every game and got the playing time starting out that Yao has gotten. Also, I don't think he has made vast improvement. In fact, I don't think the Rockets think he has made vast improvement. It has been reported by Matt Goukas that the Rockets are actually disappointed in Yao's lack of impriovement this year. Maybe they should just come out and say it in the media to light a fire under his ass.
It’s not as if O’Neal just became good this season. At 23, O’Neal was averaging 19ppg and 10.5rpg, leading his team to the playoffs. Although, he was in his sixth season at the time.
JO'Neal's FIFTH season saw him play 32.6 minutes a game, the SAME that Yao is playing this year, and his averages were 12.9 pts and 9.8 rebs. He was 22 yrs old that year. Yao is 23 in this, his SECOND year, playing 32.4 minutes per game, with 16.1/9.1 avgs. Seems to me to be a very favorable comparison for Yao, the 3 extra years of pro experience for O'Neal easily offsets the fact that Yao is one year older than O'Neal was that season. Back to the drawing board, Juugie and Sam.
Yeah, back to the drawing board, I guess I'll have to come up with some more ways that I can take a crap on Yao, because I just hate hate hate him and should be castrated for pointing out that O'Neal is better than he is, which he is. (btw, if you want to do it by age, shouldn't you use ONeal's sixth season and compare it to Yao's? - duh.) Lighten up chico. All I'm saying is that Yao ain't a great player yet, which he's not. And its up to him to become one.
You know how in Vegas they have proposition bets? I've got one for you, Juugie, one that I'm certain no Vegas oddsmaker in his right mind would give me even-money for, but you probably would if you stick to your misguided guns. The proposition is this: JO'Neal averaged 19/10 in his 6th season, and finally reached 20/10 in his 7th season; are you willing to bet that Yao will not have a season of 20/10 by his 7th year? If any casino gave even odds on that wager, I'd bet my house on it. What do you say Juugie? Will Yao have a year of 20 and 10 in any of his next five NBA seasons?
You've been wrong since day one - I mean didn't you say Yao would be a bust? BTW, comparing Oneal's basketball career with Yao's at the same age doesn't tell you the whole picture. This is the second year for Yao to play the American style basketball. Oneal has been playing this type of ball since high school.
Dirk Nowitzki. Born in 78, a 22-year-old Dirk was averaging 17.5/6.5 in his second year and went on to average 25/9.9 in his fifth year, when he was 25. Didn't you want to trade Yao for him? Hmmmm..... more homework to do next time. There is a difference in learning curves between the international players and the native ones.
ttboy, I take it that you are new here. Nobody argues with Juugie around here because nobody takes him seriously. I won't say what he is but I'll say what he isn't. Let's see... he definitely ain't a Yao fan; he definitely ain't a JVG fan; he absolutely hates MJ or JJ; I don't think he's a Rockets fan either. The only thread he posts in are Yao bashing or Steve worshipping threads. But he is a Steve fan, which is good I guess, cuz when Steve does well, indirectly the Rockets do well also. Just do what the rest of us do: have a laugh over what he says and don't take it seriously.
It's so funny how if you don't think Yao will be the next Shaq you're not a Rockets fan. Like I said, you can sit back and wait for the great pumpkin... err Yao Ming's dominance all you want. If it happens great. Just realize there are other points of view. I'm not a huge fan of Yao's just because I don't think he plays with the intensity, desire, or urgency that a dominant big man needs to. And I guess I'm spoiled. After watching Hakeem for over 20 years, Yao seems like a big wuss to me. Sorry. I'm not a huge fan of JVG because he really hasn't done much in my opinion. I've never had a post saying anything negative about MJ or JJ. Why are you Yao fans so threatened by any point of view other than your own view that Yao is the greatest human being on the planet? Maybe if some of you actually watched NBA games other than ones Yao plays in and see how REAL NBA superstars play. See the aggression and authority, the desire and passion that they play with you will understand the difference. Also, very few of them are slow and can't jump. The last one to do that was Larry Bird, and I'm sorry, Yao's competitive drive is no where near Bird's. ps - why did this become a thread about Yao?
Dirk isn't dominant. And he isn't someone that will carry a team to a title. But he is a good player. Also, Dirk wasn't slow at 22, he didn't need oxygen after 10 minutes at 22, and he wasn't anchored to the ground at 22, and he wasn't a wuss at 22.
Who knows? He might. He could justa s easily remain the 16/8 man. The only thing you need to know ttboy, J O'Neal = great player Yao=good player. We'll see what the future brings. PS. I don't normally answer the questions of p*rn stars.
Since this has become a Yao thread.. I always like to give dredit where credit is due. Yao had one move late in the game where he got the ball deep. immediately made his move, spun and banked it in. Sweet. If he could ever just do that every single time...
if you have the right to critzise steve, why doesnt juugie have the right to critizise yao? Is yao above critizism. Steve can be in twenty trade thread posts yet yao cant be in one? How many guys are doing 16/9. Comapred to steve's second year( 20 6 6), how does yao have a more promising future than steve did. Because hes 7-6? All the the tall players of yao's height were never succesful. What makes yao special? Im just being realistic, just like you and everyone one else who dislikes steve saying he would be a below average player if he didnt have his athletisism.
Man, all you gotta do is open your eyes...don't tell me you don't see the potential in this guy. Don't tell me you haven't seen many, many moments of brilliance from Yao in his one-and-a-half seasons so far. We know what he doesn't have: speed/jumping ability; sheer "athleticism" so to speak. But we also know what he DOES have: an impressive array of effective low-post moves, a jumpshot with range out to 20 feet, great court-vision and passing skills, intimidating defensive shot-blocking presence. We've also seen, albeit intermittently, that he CAN box-out/rebound tenaciously, and that he DOES have passion and competitive fire. I acknowledge we haven't seen that in every minute that he's ever been on the floor, but you also must admit that you've seen it in at least SOME moments, it's definitely in him. Will he ever put it all together? Combine his skills with the desire to compete every second he's out there? Because if he does, he WILL dominate. Like you said, who knows if that'll happen? Personally, I think the chances are very good. But all the ingredients are there, and YOU have seen it too! And after only 130 professional games, to think he can never put it all together, would be MYOPIA.
A good one! Right to the point. Juggie, there is no need for you to hide your don't-why-hate hatred towards Yao. It's just silly, like child's silliness. Everybody knows what you are trying to say.
My goodness! While I am reading, your silliness evolves into stupidity. I even don't have the chance to not to post just now because it deterioate so fast, much faster than I thought. You would trade Yao and MoT for J. O'Neil? Sigh, what else can I say?
