Rodney Carney vs Ronnie Brower with #8th Pick Who do you like the Rockets to draft with their 8th pick. Rodney Carney or Ronnie Brower or other player (specify). That given none of the top 6 player fall for us. The top 6 are: Barganani, Aldridge, Thomas, Roy, Gay and Morrison. Modes, please close the other thread because of error in the poll entry. Player MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS Brewer34.8 18.4 4.8 3.3 2.2 1.49 2.6 .5 1.4 .441 .750 .338 1.32 Carney27.2 17.2 4.3 1.3 1.5 .87 1.3 .7 2.3 .436 .712 .391 1.26
Please use this thread instead of the other thread. As of this moment Brower was leading Carney 13 to 10 in the other poll.
I've never really paid attention to Carney, but Brewer would be a solid pickup. I want him because he can play the point and guard SGs when Head is in the game. Head, Brewer, and Tmac at the small positions would make it more difficult for teams to double down on Yao.
I like their Mock draft but having Gay fall to #12 and Carney to #20 is a bit too much. Rockets will not pass up on Gay.
From the other thread jopatmc wrote: If we sign Mike James, then I think Brewer would be a great fit with him. I think if Roy is still sitting there when the Hawks draft, we should try to work a deal with them to get our man. If he is already gone, then I say trade down and draft Brewer later on. A Brewer James backcourt would work because James is more of a playmaker/shooter and Brewer is more of a team facilitator with the handles to bring the ball up, shoot when needed, but pass very well and then the length to defend SG and leave James tangling with PGs. To me, if Brewer's game develops, we would create a lot of mismatches on the offensive end because if they put a PG defending Brewer, Brewer should be able to take him because of his length. At the same time, if the put a SG defending Brewer, that leaves the smaller PG defending a decent sized super quick James. James essentially plays shooting guard on offense and point guard on defense and Brewer is essentially the point on offense and the shooting guard or even the small forward defender depending on who is the better matchup for McGrady. Not only that, but if we could work a deal with NO and get the 12 and 15, we could essentially have Brewer plus another player. Perhaps Carney falls down that low. A lot of mocks have him slipping down to even 15. From the other thread Ronny wrote: Brewer is more NBA ready and versatile than Carney. He is a legit 6'6 with a 6'9 wingspan, and fulfills a number of needs for the Rockets. Athletic, can handle the ball and penetrate (allowing him to play the 1,2 or even 3), unorthodox shot that goes in, already a good defender... biggest question is what he can do off the ball. Carney has way too many question marks.
Brewer. When pondering who we should take I ask myself this question: would I rather have Brewer who is less athletic but more intense and versatile or Carney who has a higher upside at this point but has a history of inconistency and lack of focus even in his senior year? We already have Stro, I'll pass on Carney.
That is one of the worst mocks I have ever seen. The guy even mispelled his #4 pick. 1. Toronto-Tyrus Thomas 2. Bulls- Brandon Roy Add another SG when there are plenty of good PFs? 3. Bobcats- Adam Morrison 4. Blazers- LeMarcus Aldridge 5. Hawks- Marcus Williams 6. TWolves- Shelden Williams 12. Hornets- Rudy Gay 20. Kings- Mike Gansey 26. Lakers- Daniel Gibson
Its a tough call in this "Battle of the #10's" but i'm still going to give the edge to Carney. Carney is simply the better athlete that I believe has more upside to continue to improve. I like Brewer's ability to handle the ball but its not like we absolutely NEED that in an offense with a true PG in Alston and a player like T-Mac who handles the ball as well as most PG's. Carney is probably the most athletic player in the draft. No, i'm not just talked about his jaw-dropping leaping ability that you saw in the dunk contest when he took off from about a foot back of the foul line and nearly completely MJ's infamous slam dunk, i'm also talking about his speed and quickness. Not just his natural quickness, also his quickness with the ball too. This is the kind of player that could be practically unguardable when driving to the basket. On top of that, he's proven he can hit shots from NBA 3-pt range which is exactly what we need. I would be happy with either player since I believe both could help us out right away but for now give me Carney.
For those who never watched Brewer here are some highlights of Arkansas team. He is #10 with the head band. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_PDkUlRcYA&search=ronnie%20brewer Here are some highlights of Carney: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73CcaR_NPK8&search=rodney%20carney http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57UN71GWP-U&search=rodney%20carney http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0SAF4aBUSA&search=rodney%20carney
The more I read about Brewer, I become more intrigued about his ability. I now think of him as a less athletic, poor man's Grant Hill (before injury of course) with some ability of knocking down 3 points. Therefore, if we can't get some one decent at #8 then I think trade down to get Brewer and one other fairly decnt player would be a good idea (obviously I am talking about a trade with Hornet) since we have so many holes to fill in our team and just in case one player turn out to be a bust, why not have 2 players since i consider after 8-9 picks, all the rest of them are almost in the same playing field.
This is from draftexpress.com, reporting on Brewer's performance at a recent Chicago Bulls workout featuring Brewer, Shannon Brown, Jared Newson, Dwayne Mitchell, Sean Dockery, and David Noel. Brewer was by far the best overall player at the workout, dominating in stretches and showing the Bulls exactly what they needed to see to likely establish a floor for him at #16 (where they have a second pick). He did not look like the top athlete in the agility drills, but once the workout got started he showed that he is probably the player who knows how to use his athleticism the best, particularly in competitive portions. Brewer got to the basket time after time when the opportunity was there, went down to the post when a smaller player was on him, and even knocked down some very pretty jump-shots, including one impressive step-back from deep. He played excellent defense and generally looked highly polished and extremely intelligent in his movements and decision making. He measured out at 6-7 in shoes with a 6-11 wingspan. I bolded the impressive parts. In hindsight it feels like I should have just bolded the whole damn paragraph. The kid gives us everything we could possibly ask out of somebody on the perimeter and he can do it at ALL THREE positions. I'm starting to wonder why Brewer vs. Carney is even a debate anymore. One quick thing for whoever mentioned that Carney is the better athlete and could disrupt defenses by taking the ball to the rim: Carney isn't that kind of guy. He has world class athleticism but surprisingly loves to camp out on the 3 point line all day long way too often. The vast majority of his dunks are in transition, where personally I'd rather have Brewer running the wing anyway because of his passing abilities. Also, for whoever was asking why I said Brewer's overall FG%'s were hands down better... Carney's 4 years at Memphis: .423, .388, .407, .436 (Average of .414) Brewer's 3 years at Arkansas: .481, .475, .441 (Average of .462) *Averages were total FGM/FGA for their careers, so each year is properly weighted.
Well, it's pretty clear that CCR is amped over Brewer. Now, I will go on record as saying that I believe Brewer is the best guy for the Rox, *assuming* that none of the guys projected to go in the top 6 or so fall. If Roy, or Gay, or Thomas, or Morrison should fall, then all bets are off. Problem is, if people keep hyping Brewer like this, some team above us in the draft is going to start getting an itchy trigger finger.. Remember what happened with Gasol the year he was drafted? Guy shot all the way up to near the top of the draft; the secret was out of the bag, and he went from a guy who looked like he might be a reach at OUR pick to a guy we had no shot at. Brewer looks like the kind of guy who can do what this team needs done - a lock-down defender who can also score. What's not to like? One thing is certain: if Brewer keeps up this 'being the best player on the floor during these workouts' nonsense, he's going to totally screw up our plans of trading down and still picking him up at 12. Grrr.. SLOW DOWN KID!! Ideally, if we could trade down and still get Brewer at 12, then anyone else we pick up at 15 would be gravy - JJ, Ager, S.Williams, Millsap maybe.. Man what a great draft that would be, coming out of this 'weak' year.. *sigh* I can dream, can't I?
Thanks, that is encourging to read. I wonder how competing against inferior players has to do with it, but I am sold on Brewer.
One thing we don't need is another brick layer, it appears that Brewer is that dude. I would take Carney over Brewer. My picks Sheldon Williams only if we trade Stro Show Marcus Williams Rudy Gay Carney Brewer Rando Rojo Second Round PJ Tucker Renaldo Balkman - S. Carolina ths cat can ball at 6" 8" plus
You're right. Why take a guy that shot 46% in college and got to the basket at ease, when we could just as easily take a guy that shot 41% and camped out at the 3 point line despite incredible athleticism?
Let's not all get too hung up on shooting. Yes shooting is important! No question! But so are a lot of other things. Brewer brings a lot to the table which includes BB IQ, PG abilitys, perimeter defense with long arms, athleticism and the ability to slash to the basket to cave in the defense. When you think of Brewer, perhaps project Josh Howard on the Rockets and think about what a difference a player like Howard could make on this team. As for shooting, perhaps address that in the 2nd round, or with the MLE (Mike James).
If it weren't for Brewer's broken wing and resulting really peculiar shot, there would be no debate between Brewer and Carney. Brewer would be a top 5 pick. Between these two, I vote Brewer every time.
