Rockets also pursuing Dampier (UPDATE: Rockets make 2-year offer)

If they were a fluke, why were they playing a game 7 in the NBA finals the next year defending their title? They made the Eastern conference finals six years in a row, winning one title and losing to the eventual champs twice. That's hardly a fluke team in my book.

 

Compare are two teams: 04 pistons and the 2010 rockets. They stack up pretty good.

 

if the 04 pistons are the only team in NBA history you can come up with to refute my point, then i think that speaks for itself.

the history of the NBA...with a couple of notable exceptions...has been superstars winning rings. great players winning rings.

 

They also came within 1 game of repeating. Not to mention another conference finals birth.

There have been many fluky finals appearances, including the Knicks, Nets, and the Sixers back in the Leastern era. But the Pistons weren't one of them.

 

A fluke is to get there once, The pistone went to the confrence finals 6 straight years. what part of 6 straight years is a fluke?

 

Yet having a superstar is also not a guarantee of a ring.

Ewing, Barkley, Malone, Stockton.

This whole got to have a superstar argument is funny.......history is meaningless in talking about this upcomming season......each year is different, and unique.

Is it better to have a great player, sure it is....but if you don't have one, or one has not developed yet, it is great to have a stacked and deep roster like the Rockets do....

The Sacremento Kings also were a contender without a true superstar....

DD

 

Co-sign^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

Correlation does not imply causality. There could be other causes for the correlation, like maybe that's how GM's are taught. Maybe that's the direction the economic system pushes teams towards. etc.

It doesn't necessarily say anything about the inherent possibility. Unless you can prove causality.

 

You're right. Teams winning championships have nothing to do with the quality of the players. The best players keep winning by coincidence.

jordan
hakeem
magic
bird
kareem
duncan


this was all coincidence that when their teams were winning rings, they were among the top 5 players playing in the game at that point.

 

If arguing that history was important were vital to your argument you'd be arguing the exact opposite. that you can only name 4 of the 50 greatest to ever play the game who DIDN'T win a ring only makes the point more soundly.

Chris Webber was absolutely playing at superstar level then. He was averaging 27 ppg and 10 rpg while finishing 4th in MVP voting. Give me a break, da da.

 

Yep. He actually averaged over 11 rebounds per game that year.

He also made an all-nba team 5 seasons in a row..one of them being first team all-nba.

 

Right so when Kevin Martin is averaging about 26 points a game this year, will you say he is a superstar, or will you be making excuses again?

Never seen so much whining by Rocket fans over the start of a season....

Suck it up folks this is your team...cheer them on boys !!!

Did you guys give up on Bagwell when he was trying to come back like you are giving up on Yao?

DD

 

If he can do that and average 11 rebounds + 4 assists, then absolutely.

 

even Melo doesnt average that...

 

Because he is not a superstar....lol.....

This is tiring....bring on the season.....

Give the players a chance to shut the whiners up.

DD

 

Holy god. Great standards there, buddy.

What shooting guard in the NBA averages totals like that? Answer: None of them...

 

Nice comparison...

Only difference between the two is the 2010 Rockets are much much deeper.

 

Martin averaged 26 a game and his teams still sucked.

Weber averaged 27 a game but his teams were constantly contenders.

And Martin should even be in the same conversation as Melo. Going back to the trade deadline. If we had a choice of trading Carl for Martin or Melo, some of you would honestly say Martin?

 

Jonathan_Feigen Rockets add training camp center, Patrick Sullivan, but still hoping to land Erick Dampier and talking with Kyrylo Fesenko

 

It's like the Rockets almost winning at all if Yao played all 7 games against the Lakers, 2 years ago. Almost doesn't count. What happened was the Pistons got knocked out of the playoffs every year and got worse. Pistons became so destitute that they eventually signed a crippled T-mac. It's another year, and another flop.