Rockets acquire Thomas Robinson; Morris traded to Phoenix; Patterson, Douglas, Aldrich to Kings

Good to know, thanks.

 

A lot of people thought Andray Blatche wouldn't be worth crap, but he seems to have turned it around and settled in as a nice role player.

Obviously, if we could get a double-double out of Robinson, he'd be worth the effort to develop him, but even a 10/5 kind of player like Blatche would be ok.

 

I don't see how Blatche and TRob are comparable. Blatche is a proven NBA talent. People just question his personal issues. People are questioning whether TRob has NBA talent.

 

Whose questioning it?

You? GMs?

Obviously Trob can rebound and defend, the coaches said they liked his defense but as of right now he didn't do enough to break them from their comfort of Delfino at the 4 and Greg Smith.

Not sure if it was you but A lot of yall was questioning if Morris had NBA talent. I wasn't. I always liked his game and was willing to give it time and it turns out he's a alright player in his 2nd year with still some room to grow and now people are saying "If only we had Marcus Morris at least!"

 

Trade wasn't for this year. Morey said so himself.

 

I gaurentee you that giving playing time to Trob is a good idea and if he knew going into next season that he was going to get a solid 25 min a night he would net us 12/7 easy. Personally I think he could Have done that this yr but with rookie bigs you have to live with the turnovers and missed easy shots but with the rockets exceeding expectations this yr and fighting for the playoffs, the rookies didnt get much time to develop.

Trob showed alot of promise with his rebounding and defense these are two things he will be able to do his entire career and only get better with as time goes on. His offense needs work but he knows what he wants to do on the court. He draws fouls at a very high rate and can get to the basket also at will. Now he does need to work
On his jump shot and finishing around the rim. Most rooke bigs have trouble wit shooting and finishing around the rim (tjones and def dmo) both suffered from this but for some reason they don't get the flack that Trob gets.

I don't know why this is other than maybe because he's the 5th pick and is held to a higher regard or because he was traded for our starting and back up pf halfway through the season. All of that's irrelevant now the rockets still made the playoffs and we still got the better prospect in Trob who IMO is still head as shoulders the best big prospect we have on the roster.

Some of you just need to be more patient with this guy his potential is really high and he could turn into a very good starter to maybe even an Allstar level player. I'm really glad none of you our the gm of the rockets with all the knee jerk reactions that take place on This bbs. Only time will tell but with robinsons work ethic and natural abilities I don't see him not developing into a very good player very soon. He wants it bad and will work on his game to become the best player he can.

 

Before any player proves it in the NBA, there are questions about his ability to play in the NBA. Now, they don't have to be an All Star to prove it. I'm just saying crack a rotation. Andray Blatche was an NBA starter for a few years.

Among all the posts in these 98 pages of the thread is an awesome post by Carl Herrera where he systematically proved that TRob had one of the worst rookie seasons ever.

I actually believed in Marcus Morris, but I couldn't deny there would be questions until he proved it. Morris had actual skill. TRob spent how many years in college and has no jump shot?

 

To be honest I've never really liked this trade.

Patterson had finally got use to playing on the team and had some really good games and then suddenly he gets traded and a new player has to start over and get comfortable.

Normally that wouldn't be a big issue if I didn't already think Jones has more potential than Robinson.

 

This. Monster upside and potentially fits the bill as a starting PF somewhere down the road. Given that PF is clearly our weakest position, this a logical strategy.

 

There are way too many variables. He picked a few stats that were beneficial to his argument. Ortg and we know he's not near offensively polished.

Why not pick on his rebounding stats? People keep saying he has no skills at all like he's just some athletic dude that has never played basketball but yet he draws fouls, can drive into the lane using his handles, can pass, rebound, and for a rookie plays good defense.

We are going to sit here and say Robinson has never flashed ever? Because Carl even admitted after a couple of Trob's good games that he played well.

A lot of guys come into the NBA without a jumpshot actually. That is the easiest thing to actually work on.

As for the stats, again. Let me use Per 36.

Per 36 tells me that Robinson would average 11ppg, 1.4 spg, and 10rpg. These stats would put him on the all-rookie team.

It would be silly to use these stats though because there isn't really that big of a sample size to say and when you judge potential it is more of a eye test thing and not only that a mental thing. I think Robinson DOES have a few skills. (No player goes in the top 5 as just this guy who has no skill at all...) but also people seem to ignore his background and how hard he worked to get where he's at. According to seemingly everyone that he's been around he works extremely hard and if that is true I promise that will pay off for whatever team has the patience to give him that time.

 

My response would be too late since the season is over and we got to see how T Rob's impact (or lack thereof) had on the Rockets.

But I think it didn't necessarily hurt or help the Rox all that much.

2Pat is a stretch 4 with is on the finesse side and not that rugged on the boards. his low post game is meh.

T Rob's been a non factor for the Rox. he sat but other PFs on the Rox stepped up like D Mo and Greg Smith though those 2 guys (and nothing against them) are not impact.

None of the Rox PFs have the skillset to provide the team's biggest weakness = low post scoring.

I wish Scola was still here.

 

only takes one to pan out (see Parsons, Chandler after so many purchased 2nd round picks failed)

 

Landry
Scola
Budinger

All purchased 2nd round picks that were highly successful.

 

Not only was Robinson not seen as a player *this* year... but knowing we don't (and likely will not) have a #1 pick next year, you have to look at him as a 2013 draft pick. Now compare him to anyone in the upcoming draft outside of the top three of four picks and you see what Morey was thinking when he made that trade...

 

I'm not sure I'd really call Budinger a success. I say that as someone who really likes the guy. I was a fan of him when he played for us.

 

Chase Budinger is a huge success for a 2nd rounder. Minnesota gave up a mid first for him for a reason.

 

Are we going by what we often do get from a 2nd rounder or what we SHOULD get from a 2nd rounder?

Because I hardly call a decent bench player a "huge success".

 

I still think TRob given minutes can develop into an above average NBA starter at worst. He's got the athleticism and the desire to want to improve and Sampson talked about how much he continued to improve and the time and work he was putting in.

His defense, rebounding and shot blocking are already there. He runs the floor in transition as good as any big in the NBA. He just needs to develop a low post/high post skill set.

 

I don't mean to be that rude, but you are showing yourself to be a little ignorant on the NBA draft with that comment. This ain't the NFL Draft. 2nd round picks don't amount to anything most of the time. The hit rate for 1st rounders isn't even that great. You don't always even see lottery picks still in the league a few years after they're drafted. A rotation player from a 2nd round pick is a great find.

 

No offense taken.

But that was my point when I asked "Are we going by what we often do get or what we SHOULD get?".

I realize the NBA draft is a crap shoot.

But if we go by what we want and should get for a 2nd round pick I just can't look at what Budinger has done and say "Wow he's been an amazing success story".