Plus, this is over a series of games (much harder to do)....I'm sure alot of odd players could score 60 or 70 in a game.... I know some Kobe fans or modern day analysts want to say 81 is greater 100, but it's not... Whocares who the competition is? If you score 100 points in any game that's a great feat. Wilt to me is still the standard, as well as Dimaggio and even Rice (even though his record was broken, but he did it 22 TDs in 12 games) And plus Wilt is much greater player than Kobe is....if he played right now...he would still be best player in league and make Kobe a distant second.
playoffs? no way! one day brooksball, when you become old and your kids tell how tmac and yao would never succeed in the 2030 nba season, then us oldies will laugh in our graves at your blindness.
analogy sounds about right, kobe has the 2nd highest scoring night. rox has 2nd longest win streak.....kobe was still a ways away from 100 and rox are still a ways away from 33
the past is the most important thing for the present and the future. basically without your dad and his dad and his dad's dad, you wouldn't exist. without dr j, there wouldn't be mj, without mj there woundn't be kobe. without moses schooling a young dream, there wouldn't be dream. without oscar and wilt and kareem and bill, there wouldn't be a NBA. that's right, no NBA. we'd be watching baseball.
Its not like Kobe's 81... It's harder and better! MOST of the elite players in this league could get 81, they just don't jack up 46 shot attempts. If any of them were feeling hot and wanted to ball hog, they could take 46 attempts and get to the line 20 times and get around 81. Winning 21 is much more difficult because it's done as a team, spread over a long time as opposed to one game where someone was hot.
...i was just about to get back into that argument of people's rose colored glasses of the past but i won't here. i think the thread was started to show the comparisons of our 2nd ranking in the record books. Kobe didn't break any record by scoring 81 points in a game (very spectacular because he did it as a guard with tough shots) but it was still amazing and the only person to do better was an all time great. In that aspect the streak is similar. Obviously that performance is only one win and was done by one person (i still don't see how that's bad) and ours is a team effort that has lasted 21 games.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2006.html Playoffs: Lost NBA Western Conference First Round (4-3) to Phoenix Suns http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant
i agree that 21 wins is always better than 1 and harder. But you're wrong, wrong, wrong if you think that most elite players could drop 81 points and get to the line 20 times. That's right around the time other players started calling him the best and saying how hard it would be to do that. I love what the rockets are doing but lets not try to diminish what others have done to show how hard it is. It's not just not right.
My bad! Anyway, one win cannot compare to 21wins. I believe Kobe himself would agree with this. I remember last year he got 50+ streak, and the rockets beat the 76ers by 50 pts. When someone (K. Smith?)asked him which one he prefered, he said the team's win.
Agreed! Umm.. no. I'd rather have a blowout so theres no risks invloved, and 81> 13points in 35seconds.
Maybe...maybe not. but consider these things.... 1. The 60s and 70s had better quality centers than what is on the floor right now. Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Cowens, Petitt, Thurmond, and etc. 2. Wilt was a very big dude.... 7,2 275-295....by old stat sites and a personal account from Bill Russell and even said he never seen anybody that powerful before and even kept himself in really good shape...even to the point of even giving Magic some trouble at a Lakers practice when he was retire. He outweighs Amare by good 30 or 40 pounds and Dwight by a good 20 or 30...and even alot of all time greats from the 90s...the only other centers in NBA history that are the closest in his size and are consistent all-stars are Yao and Shaq. He has quite a few inches on both them. And he was also very skilled, I think he has the record for centers, not only for scoring average and possibly rebounds....but also assists per game (he averaged 8.6 and 7.8 in his last two years with 76ers). He could possibly be the second or first all time in blockshots, because it didn't become an offical state until the early 70s. I watched some old highlight reels of him couple of weeks ago (and this guy was also running track)....he could possibly one of the greatest players ever....not just basketball .... but all sports in top 3 or 4. Even at the ages of 35 to 36, he used to give Kareem fits. He was not a pushover like David Robinson. People say he ushered in the term "choking," but that is not the case....he carried most of his teams to Finals or Conference Finals...he couldn't beat alot of those teams because those teams where much better than alot of his teams. I mean you're talking about guy scoring 50 ppg on one team and taking around 25 - 40 shots....I doubt he would've done that if he were on an incredible team. Basketball has changed by not to the points old players would be render useless in todays NBA....I could see anyone from Nique to Maravich or Kareem to Wilt or West to Stockton coming into the league and being just good or even better than they were in their time period. For all of physical tools everyone likes to gush over and talk about, you can look at the physical attribute (especially centers and pfs) have not changed all that much. Alot of players in past are way more fundamentally sound and played with chip on the shoulders more so than players today. I'm not saying one of the others are inferior. But look at this way, what big man in the last 20 years could compare to Wilt - stat wise, physically, accomplishment wise. Look at Kobe, tell me how many players from last 30 years that compared to him.... They are way more players in the NBA who have similar numbers and physical build/skill to Kobe than they do to Wilt.
Kobe's accomplishment was spectacular, but a man scored enough points that is more than alot of teams' seasonal averages. Unbelievable..... Again, 21 games in row is more significant, because he is much harder feat to accomplish....you can get incredibly hot for one game score a bunch runs, touchdowns or home runs....but to win so many in row takes alot skill, heart, chemistry, and teamwork to get this point.
Both of them are important. We can not say anyone is more impressive by some reasons. That is historic moment of NBA, they will be talked frequently even many years later like MR. 81.
Again it's a bad comparison, the Lakers were down by 20 in the 3rd quarter, Kobe score 55points in the 2nd half.
First of all, Kobe was being interviewed and he was DEFENDING our streak against some people in the media belittling it because it wasn't against quality opponents. Kobe said that was like when some people said his 80+ point game wasn't that great because it was against the Raptors. He made the point that every NBA team is hard to beat. And followed it by saying the Rockets should get credit for their accomplishment. (and then he followed it by saying the streak meant nothing to him. he just cared about the game tomorrow...) thought some of you who have been tearing into Kobe should realize the context of the original remarks.
