plus age and wear and tear play a factor.....battier was healthy when he was younger. sura also. the way they play has alot to do with how quickly they age.
Something is fishy with the team but I'm not sure if it's an incompetent medical staff or management lying to the public but I do know this team has a habit of telling the media X player has one type of injury and then weeks or months later saying it is actually a different injury or much more severe than they originally thought. Also, let's not forget how much time was wasted when Yao broke his foot and the doctors said it would heal on it's own only to say months later he actually needed a plate screwed into the bone. When there are this many incidents it forms a pattern.
please explain how they misdiagnosed the bone bruise. Last year they told him to take the time off since the season was practically over. He played until they were eliminated from playoff contention. After that there was no point in keeping him out there to risk further injury. He said he could have played had they had a better record. What exactly did the staff do wrong here? The year before he missed the games at the start of the season after getting surgery. Typical rehab after surgery for a minor issue that was fixed. Notice how he hasnt had any lingering issues. AND he himself screwed it up by pushing too hard, not due to pressure from the staff, and he reinjured his wound during that rehab. This was well reported at the time and forced him to miss more games than expected. What did the staff do wrong here?? What are you talking about?? He's played 22 out of the 26 games this season. You can't just make up a number of games you think he'll only play and then blame the staff ahead of time. He can play up to 78 games this year. Last year he had a typical NBA injury, came back, no lingering issues. What did the staff do wrong here??? It was an ACCIDENT on the court. He's coming back after 6 weeks. Rehab time is/was spot on with a severe ankle sprain. What did the staff do wrong here? He's not playing through any injury. The guy is in a slump He's jumping fine. Running fine. No lingering issues and his time out was reasonable for the injury. So again i ask, What did the staff do wrong here???? Humm, so one guy who plays limited minutes and another who isn't very physical, both who are on the floor players (not above the rim) managed to stay healthy?? Not a surprise. In other news, people are less likely to get into car accidents when they're driving 10 mph in a parking lot. Seriously man, you're are really reaching and are not looking at the injuries on a case by case basis. You just see "injuries" and automatically assume the common denominator is the staff they're trained by. How about the fact that they all play a vertical and up and down game called basketball?? I dont understand what you expect. do you watch any other teams play? do you realize they too have injuries, not just this season, but last and the one before, and so on? Look around every once in a while, we're not the only ones. Use some common sense too. The teams you listed are mostly playoff contenders. Don't you think their players are less likely to miss games? They play injured, just like battier, ariza, and martin could have last season had we been in the playoff race all the way through.
Its not as frequent as it seems from player to player. It's been frequent with two players. With the serious injuries they've had you can't be as exact and it's not as predictable as evaluating a simple sprain. Look at the ankle sprains, no problems there. They serve their rehab time like expected and come back after with no real issues. Battier was the only one, but because he developed bone spurs, which needed surgery, but that's the human body working, not human error. Are the lakers screwing up because Bynum can't stay healthy? Or maybe he's just injury prone? Put yao on the lakers and their staff will get the blame simply because it's more than one player, but who's really the problem? Probably the two big stiffs who keep getting injured..
AND you also conveniently picked 75 games as the cutoff point for some reason....why does it have to be 75 games? Why can't it be 70? And when you type them out like that visually it exaggerates your point because Martin and hill were only with us half the season, so they're automatically no eligible, while those other teams you posted didnt have such significant trades that eat into their games played. Percentage of games played for houston last season Brooks 100% Scola 100% Hayes 100% Landry 98% Budinger 90% Ariza 88% Lowry 83% Battier 82% DA 77% (would be closer to 90% had he been in the rotation) I understand you dont want to include Kmart or hill because they havent been trated by the rockets long enough, but technically they played over 83% of their games in a rockets jersey. Hill would have been close to 100%, if he had been in the rotation and Martin would be over 90% had the rockets been in playoff contention. Looks a lot different when it's broken down like this, huh? It all goes back to the same two guys, yao and tmac, those are the two missing chunks and chunks of seasons.
I didnt catch your wimpy comeback while i was already gone. So STFU already unless thats how you want me to treat you? Then thats how you will get treated back. Dont get your panties hurt if my points make you cry or are valid enough to invoke a emotional reaction to protect your favorite whatever you are protecting. Its just a post with valid points on a subject most of you have no experience in and i happen to. So random hater of me? Next time be a little less personal in your first post to attack a person you dont know. Some of you clutchfans have a real problem getting personal when you dont agree with others. Deal with that emotion already before it gets you in trouble.
Take your own advice. You have a habit of calling out personal attacks and name calling when you do it just as much and sometimes even before others start.
If the other teams players came down with as many sprains and broken bones, they would miss 4-6 weeks. Alot of it comes down to prevention. Here are some other non-playoff teams. Timberwolves Brewer 82 Sessions 82 Flynn 81 Wilkins 80 Jefferson 76 Ellington 76 Gomes 76 Kings Udrih 79 Casspi 77 Greene 76 Nocioni 75 Thompson 75 Pacers Rush 82 Hibbert 81 Watson 79 DJones 76 Hornets Okafor 82 DWest 81 Posey 77 Collison 76 Songalia 75 Grizzlies Mayo 82 Randolph 81 Gay 80 Conley 80 Young 80 That's 11 teams. We are near the bottom players that can play a full season with the Trailblazers, Knicks, Clippers, 76ers, Bulls, and Nets.
I went with 2 weeks max. There is one game about every other day, so that leaves you with 7 missed games for 2 weeks. If significant number of players miss almost a month(12 games), it can cause significant turnover in team rotations in season that is only 6 months(late October-Mid November). For example, if 3 players missed 12 games or more. The injury probably did not occur on the same day. So, you could have one player out for December, one for January, one for March. That's half the season. It would cause chemistry issues for almost the whole season. November 1st lineup December 2nd lineup (injury to player 1- 12 games) January 3rd lineup (player 1 returns, player 2 goes out for 12-15 games) February 4th lineup (player 2 returns) March 5th lineup (player 3 is injured for 12-15 games) April 6th lineup (player 3 returns) If you have major rotation players missing a month, it hurts.
Let me ask you this, what exactly do you want them to do to prevent it? It just seems to me like you want something done, but dont know what or even if it's possible to do more. You're looking at how may can play the whole season. That doesnt make sense because not all teams treat games off the same. You have to lower the standard some and put the cut off point closer to 70 games or so. Some teams have shorter rotations and players are forced to play through sprains and injuries. Older players are usually given extra time off on lottery teams or when their team has wrapped up a seed or isnt affected much by their absence. Other older players can't afford that. Some players have adequate backups, others dont. Some handle most of the scoring or defensive load, others dont. You simply cant use the full 82 games to gauge how good or bad a medical or training staff is, especially when a player can easily catch the flu and miss up to 3 games. You could have one guy take those 3 games off for the flu, then maybe have one personal day off, then 2 earlier for a minor sprain and 2 later for a minor shoulder trouble. That totals up to 74 games and puts them under your cut off point of 75 games you used previously. Does that mean they didnt take care of him correctly? None of those injuries were significant, none of them went over a reasonable time table of missed games, yet you'd consider that a failure based on your cutoff point. Doesn't make sense.
There's a flaw here...and that's that the time missed after we were eliminated from the playoffs wouldnt hurt the team...i mean technically it would have, but at that point it's meaningless when it comes to making the playoffs. 12 games out is playing 85% of games. Out of our rotatin players only 2, battier and lowry came under that and even then were just under. If we're in the playoff race late Battier is easily over that mark because he doesnt sit out much, if at all. That means one player misses the mark out of our rotation. That only leaves Yao and tmac, again, as our only true problems. One is gone. Hopefully the other will be next year. We'll see the difference then.
When I drop it to 70, I get teams that I consider poor at taking care of their players like the Trailblazers(worse than the Rockets for injuries), Bucks, Clippers, and Heat.
Let me take the Heat out. They were on the original list, I think. However, I believe Phoenix did better job of prevention for Shaq and Marion.
Or you get teams with mainly 1 or 2 injury prone players. Nash only played 65 and 76 games his first sting with Phoenix. the missed games continue early with dallas and eventually he was playign pretty much 80 games a year his last 3 seasons as a Mav. Seems to me like it's nash who changed than the staff. Hill was durable prior to his ankle issues.. Jkidd played closer to 82 games more times as a mav and net than a sun. It's all about the individual players mostly. also notice age is a factor. the suns had marion as youngster. Most of their team is young. Their older guys are very dedicated to their nutrition and fitness and have bodies better suited for the NBA. Look at what guys were hurt in Houston and missed the most games last season. Mostly the oldest, except for Scola. Take the top two players from any team, sit them out all year so the team is out of the playoffs by march and you'll see a lot of players miss the 80 games mark because it makes no sense then to play them through injuries or rush back. they'll look exactly like this team did as far as missed games go. Im still not sure what kind of prevention you want from the team. What prevents Battier from being undercut like he was during a game? What prevents Yao from being landed on like he was in one of his breaks? What prevents Tmac from having scoliosis? What prevents Budinger from landing wrong as he lands on the court? What prevents Manu from defending, so Brooks doesn't step on him? What prevents another player from crashing into Ariza and brusing his hip? Very few injuries, if any, that we have had have been preventable. The majority happened during the game and are simply part of it. the rest belong to tmac and yao.
Agreed. Nash, Hill, and other players changed and became more durable with the Suns. Channing Frye had 3 out of 4 seasons where he missed several weeks with the Trailblazers and Knicks, 2 teams that are very injury prone. Then, he played 81 games for the Suns. Shaq changed too. He played more games in his 1st full season with Phoenix, than he had in the past 8 years. Then, he went back to 53 games with limited minutes, after he left. They are pretty good.
how come our players doesn't learn anything from scola? the dude doesn't get hurt and when he gets hurt he just play
Those teams have a pretty big problem with injuries. Portland had many injuries to Roy, Przybilla, Oden, Bayless, and Batum. They had more guys than they could put on the injured list for several games. Knicks had many injuries to Curry, Harrington, Nate Robinson, Toney Douglas, Hughes. Clippers had Kaman, Davis, Griffin, Craig Smith, Eric Gordon, Rush(torn ACL). Those teams were so injured, that they ran out of room on their inactive list. They were at the bottom in the league in health.
Look we can go around and around here, but the bottom line is every year you can take the teams with players playgin the least games and those will be the teams with more injured players....that's a given. One years its portland and the Clips and another it might be minnesota and olrando. Next year it may be the heat and the lakers. for the most part these teams change every so often. The constants are teams with specific innjury prone players, like houston with yao and tmac, portland with oden and now roy. Another flaw here is you havent taken into consideration the change in staff. Teams have changed trainers. For example, Marion was healthier in Phoenix, but before thye brough in their new staff... i believe most recently they brought in trainers or someone from ACSM or NASM, cant remember which, but that was closer to the end of Marion's time with Phoenix. without knowing when teams changed their staff, if at all, one can't say a certain staff is going better or worse. I said nash became more durable with dallas, not with phoenix. It only continued with phoenix. Hill was durable early as a piston, it didnt start in pheonix, he simply finally got his ankle treated. And you're pretty much ignoring my question on prevention, which is your whole point in all of this. You can continue to claim they can do a better job of prevention, but if you dont even have an idea of how or where they dropped the ball specifically in prevention, then for all you know it's not possible for them or anyone else to do it better with this team.
