you're reaching every way you can...yao thought he COULD play. Would youhave preferred Yao got his way and stepped on the court with that fracture?? The trainers do have offseason input, but they cant be with players all year round. Much like doctors can give you 30 pills for something and you stop at 10 cause you think you feel better, players may do the same. Or they tell you to stop taking them and you keep going. Doctors can only do so much. And i think your expectations are unrealistic. When was the last healthy season for any team? Its part of the game. You said too many times players have come in out of shape, but only listed two instances, both involving players who have naturally heavier builds, one who had a very early injury (lowry) that helped contribute to keeping him out of shape. Nothing else is happening here out of the ordinary besides having one player with a curve in his spine and another who's too big/tall to play this game at a significant level. Notice how all the other guys who don't have either have been able to bounce back.
RV6, I seem to remember Moochie and Cato coming in out of shape, as well. Yao I don't count, for the reasons stated earlier. As to them not being with them year round, that is my point. They should be. The doctor doesn't have a vested interest in me taking my pills. In fact, one could argue he benefits from me ignoring his instructions. I would be back and he make more money that way. It is an incongruous comparison. Now, I am not advocating the trainers living with he players. Moreso, I would suggest they have contact 3 times per week, as a normal course of action in the off-season. Of course there is vacation time (week or two), but this is a high stakes business they are involved in. The team has a vested interest in having optimally trained players. Two weeks in Hawaii, i.e., shouldn't result in being 15-20 lbs overweight. Do you agree on more advancements in preventative medicines and practices?
If there was an MRI done, then it is not the training staff's fault. I do blame the doctors for not catching the fracture the first time. This is the 2nd fracture in row, that they failed to diagnosed initially.
They do have that type of contact though. Pretty much all teams do. My point is teams can only tell them to do this or that, but can't actually force them. During the offseason it's easy to let them know, but not easy to actually enforce. I think it's an individual issue with players, not the team not doing enough. Some players will always be like that. We really haven't had to worry about that recently. I think lowry's issue was his injury set him back in conditioning and not due to him or the team not tracking his conditioning. Im just not sure what preventive medicines and practices fans want. Wipe out two of the most injury prone players in NBA history in Yao and tmac and our staff would be seen like any other in the NBA.
Why is it that every kind of injury to any one of our players take twice as long as normal to heal as usual?
Compared to whom? This is not true at all if you take yao and tracy out of the equation, who have had serious surgeries and those are always hard to time and plan for exactly. Bynum and Amar'e went through the same thing.
If Brooks comes out with a surprise and gets sideline until January, we can add him to the list also. It will be 2 months, when other teams are getting players back from ankle sprains in 4-6 weeks.
you've got to be kidding....Francis had his major injury while he was not a Rocket. Yes, he had another injury in his second stinf here, but he was already damaged goods. He also didnt even have time ot show he could recover because houston didn't give him another chance. If it was purely the fault of this team's staff, then he would have recovered after leaving. Yet he didnt. Same for sura. He was forced to retire due to his injury. That's going to happen with any ballclub. If it was just with houston, then sura would have probably came back to the NBAm but he never recovered, as a rocket or as a retired player. Im not as familiar with the Glover situation, but i don't remember the guy ever actually playing for Houston. Not official minutes anyway. If that's the proof, then it's not proving much. Being with a team less than half a season isn't going to prove their training/preventive methods don't work consistently. Even tmac hasn't proven that, as he's still in the same limited situation with Detroit a year after finishing his original rehab. Are the NY and Detroit medical teams incompetent as well?
Again, you can't be serious. First of all Brooks was injured Nov 6th, NOT EVEN 6 WEEKS YET. He's still within that time frame you claim all ankle injuries, despite severity, should heal by, which is crazy anyway. He's suppose to be back next week and has started practicing. He's pretty much right on that 4-6 week plan. With a severe ankle sprain it's not surprising to be out closer to 2 months, which he's still short of by just over two weeks. If fans kept up with the injuries carefully, then there wouldnt be so many misconceptions. What's weeks is seen as months and what is all over the league is believe to only apply in houston. Hell, i've been waiting for both bynum and delfino to come back to my fantasy team and they're at least 2 weeks, almost 3, past their initial timetable.
Steve Francis was out for his 3rd season, which allowed us to have a lottery season and get Yao in the next draft. It has been 5 weeks and 5 days for Brooks. There is no timetable to bring him back for tommorrow's game. By January, it will be 8 weeks, if he is not ready. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/7341529.html
So what if its 2 months? For a sprain as severe as his that's not a long time. It's probably a good 5 weeks just to heal, another week or so to work out the kinks and soreness and finally 1-2 weeks to get back in shape. It's not as simple as jumping back on the court as soon as he's ready. Some players do that, and i guess that's where the difference in time is, but all it means it s that some teams rush players or give them more freedom to come back as soon as they want. Other teams don't. It's not always the same situation and it doesn't mean either is necessarily screwing things up. If either one is, it's the team that let's them come back earlier, not the team team who brings them back later. And why was francis' situation not the usual? Was he out too long? More than others with a similar injury?
To say that our medical staff takes no responsibility is asinine... it is their job to keep the players healthy and they have failed miserably year after year... or maybe its just a coincidence some teams always remain healthy and other teams always get hurt
Both Bob Sura and Dion Glover underwent surgery in the beginning of the '05 season. Sura had bask surgery, while Dion had gone for microfracture knee surgery with Dr. Tom Clanton(same guy that operated on T-Mac, Yao, Barkley, Mutombo, Sura) Dion Glover was given the typical 6-week timeline. Both players were never able to fully recover and never played another game. Both players retired. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3477072.html
Sometimes, those 6 weeks turn into 2 months, then it turns into a whole season. (See Yao, Sura, Glover).
i'm still waiting for someone to mention all these teams that are remaining healthy and never have injuries. Would tmac and yao never have had these issues on another team? I dont see how that is possible. Would tmac's scoliosis disappear? would yao shrink in size and have better and more fluid mobility? Would Oden's shorter leg disappear if he had played for OKC instead? Would the suns have built cartilage for Roy themselves in they had him? It's basically two fragile players getting injured over and over. I dont see how that's hard to realize. What exactly is the staff suppose to do? Guys like that not only will have setbacks, but will get injured again and again.
Sura had two knee surgeries AND a herniated disk, which he also had surgery on and it was performed by a different doctor. The guy's body couldnt simply take anymore. In that same link you posted it says Sura came back from the knee surgeries, but then his herniated disk was discovered and that's what ultimately caused him to retire. The disk was likely related to stress caused by a wobbly knee or the back injury he suffered during a game the season before, also mentioned int he link. There's no blame there to place on the team's doctors or trainers. And glover was NOT given a 6 week timeline. It says "Jones said it would be about six weeks before he could estimate when, or if, Glover would be able to play this season." In other words, it would take 6 weeks of progress before they could make a better and more exact timeline as tho how long he would be out. It didnt mean he'd only be out six weeks. It was microfracture surgery, no way does he come back in just over a month. like i said, glover wasn't given 6 weeks. His surgery was what tMac had and comparable to what Yao also had. Those surgeries will never be set at only a few weeks until recovery, whether it's here or on any other team. Sura had a bad injury, the one knee suprgery, then another, then a herniated disk, and then surgery for the disk, all within a season, so of course he's going to be out for along time. All that is bad luck and accidents. You can't compare ANY of that to an ankle sprain. No reason why this will drag on further than 2-3 months, that's usually the most a sprain will need. When you're dealing with the human body you can't always pinpoint timetables. Everyone's situation and healing process is different. There's ranges, in this case it can be up to 3 months, but you can't always nail it perfectly. So many fans on here claim Phoenix has a miracle staff that's flawless, but few, if any, know that they rushed Amar'e back when he had his first major injury and he came back, didnt cut it, and had to go back out, and i believe have another surgery. The main reason he eventually beat it was because he was younger than Yao, Tmac, and sura and also didnt have other injuries piled on. No staff is perfect and without setbacks.
Still suck and 0-2 when it comes to ending stars careers over the last decade. 0 for 2 with Yao and Tmac. Now Aarons hurt and he is slowly progressing as well. Makes you wonder how profesional they possibly could be if Ariza doesnt like the time he spent here injured nor Tmac.
