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Roberts Court Overturns Yet Another Precedent in Favor of Corporate Campaign Cash

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Jan 21, 2010.

  1. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    If tea baggers practiced a shred of what they preach, they'd be storming the chambers of the supreme court as we speak.
     
  2. glynch

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    All the conservative crap about "legislating from the bench", ""strict construction" etc. was just to fool the gullible. Anybody who was sophisticated knew this all along.

    The gullible conservatives and contented moderates are fooled again.

    The poor teabaggers and working class Christians were led by the nose.
    They actually think the corporate elite care about abortions, homo-sexuality, the Bible, or the economic well being of little folk like them. Will they ever learn?
     
  3. glynch

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    The teabaggers are about 95% GOP and don't know who to blame for their suffering. Poor teabaggers.
     
  4. wouldabeen23

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    Really?? I haven't posted in some time, but a steaming diaper load of fail this putrid deserves to be pointed out and thrown away, preferably on fire in front of John Roberts house.
     
  5. B-Bob

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    Leave Shovelface alone! :mad: I get a good little laugh everytime he uncorks a new gem of Ms. South Carolina meets Gordon Liddy.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    A side effect of this is that Senate Republicans who are universally (save McCain obviously) praising this ruling are basically sinking their own populist failboat and destroying their momentum from the ascension of Scott the Naked Truck Driver Brown which lasted all of a day.

    This came on the same day taht the Admin launched Glass Steagall part 2.

    Guess who can pretend to be more populist now.
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    Except if you read Sam's quote and also recall the Roberts' hearings he said repeatedly he would follow stare decisis instead he is engaging in overturning precedent for ideological reasons.

    Souter actually lived up to setting aside ideology while Roberts hasn't though he said he would.
     
  8. rimrocker

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    Wow. This sucks.

    From Michael Waldman in the NYTimes...
    From Fred Wertheimer in the NYTimes...
    Obama...

    I wonder what the response will now be from the banking industry regarding Obama's proposed regs?
     
  9. Invisible Fan

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    Kiss ass while not rocking the boat, get even more of their candidates in, then blatantly not give a **** what other people think.
     
  10. Shovel Face

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    Once Obama's target, lobbyist Tauzin now his pet


    By: Timothy P. Carney
    Examiner Columnist
    January 6, 2010

    White House visitor logs dumped late in the week between Christmas and New Year's Eve show that Billy Tauzin, the top lobbyist for the prescription drug industry and once a favorite target of Barack Obama, visited the White House at least 11 times in Obama's first six months in office.

    The White House's open door for Tauzin, whom candidate Obama attacked as the embodiment of the revolving door and the corrupt collusion between politicians and industry, further dismantles the myth of Obama as the scourge of special interests. It also bolsters the conclusion that health care "reform" has become a boondoggle for the health industry, especially pharmaceutical companies.

    During the presidential primary, in the spring of 2008, Obama ran a campaign ad aimed directly at Tauzin, chief executive officer of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America. In the ad, titled "Billy," Obama tells a small gathering of seniors:

    "The pharmaceutical industry wrote into the prescription drug plan that Medicare could not negotiate with drug companies. And you know what, the chairman of the committee who pushed the law through went to work for the pharmaceutical industry making $2 million a year. Imagine that. That's an example of the same old game-playing in Washington. I don't want to learn how to play the game better. I want to put an end to the game-playing."

    But Obama has played the game, and Tauzin was one of the first players he picked for his team. White House visitor logs show that between Feb. 4 and July 22, Tauzin visited his office an average of once every 15 days -- about as frequently as Tauzin probably collects that generous paycheck candidate Obama derided. We don't know how often Tauzin visited after July, because of the ad hoc nature of White House visitor log releases.

    Candidate Obama was correct to hold up Tauzin as the poster boy for special interests and the revolving door. Tauzin served 25 years in Congress, switching from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party just months after Republicans took control of Congress. Soon, Tauzin was chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, where he played a central role in creating the Medicare prescription drug benefit, a corporate-welfare program benefiting health insurers and drugmakers.

    As candidate Obama explained, Tauzin then cashed out, going on the payroll of the industry he had just forced the taxpayers to subsidize.

    And as far as special-interest lobbies go, PhRMA may be the champion. With $20.2 million in lobbying spending in the first nine months of this year, PhRMA outpaces every other single-industry group by millions.

    If you include lobbying spending by individual companies, the pharmaceutical industry, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, spent $199 million on lobbying in the first three quarters of last year -- far more than any other industry, and more than health insurers, hospitals and doctors, combined.

    Look at the Senate health care bill Obama is backing, and you see the fruits of Tauzin's White House access and the millions the industry spent on lobbying: Among other subsidies, the bill preserves the very government favor candidate Obama attacked -- that Medicare subsidizes prescription drugs but is prohibited by law from trying to get lower prices.

    The bill also expands subsidies for drugs, grants lengthy monopolies to some complex drugs, continues the ban on reimporting drugs and hinders over-the-counter drugs that try to compete with prescription drugs. Many of these goodies were promised Tauzin in a West Wing visit over the summer, which the L.A. Times was the first to report.

    Tauzin wasn't the only PhRMA lobbyist to visit the White House. Democratic lobbyist Steve Elmendorf, who served as chief of staff under then-Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., represents PhRMA as well as drugmaker Medicines Co. He visited the White House at least five times.

    Another PhRMA hired gun, David Castagnetti, formerly chief of staff to Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, has visited the White House at least four times. Castagnetti's other drug industry clients include Abbott Laboratories, AstraZeneca, Forest Laboratories and Merck.

    Contrast this record with Obama's rhetoric from the beginning of his campaign, when he attacked "the lobbyists and the special interests who've turned our government into a game only they can afford to play." This talk, and the ad attacking Tauzin, didn't scare off the industry, which proceeded to give more to Obama's campaign than to any other politician in history. And clearly, the rhetoric hasn't made Tauzin feel unwelcome at the Obama White House.


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  11. SamFisher

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    ^ Lol, Obama in the pocket of big pharma? that is a real new one to me, southern select. Can you elaborate on this theory of yours? Does that mean Obama killed the public option? :confused:
     
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    Leave Shovelface alone! :mad: I think he is Warren Jeffs posting from his current legal purgatory, and I would dearly like to join his FLDS sect!
     
  13. Shovel Face

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    My theory is a simple, humble one: bigger government is bigger corruption and progressive reform is fraud. "Regulation", bailouts and stimulus packages are a racket. Individual health insurance mandates are a gift to industry. Regulation of free speech creates black markets and profit.
     
  14. YallMean

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    I don't know much the law in this area, but I have a general impression that Stare Decisis means nothing to the Court, which is repleted with records such Casey overruled Roe v Wade. Frankly I don't think law should be written in stone regardless of the time and environ it operates in, but I am also aware of the arguments for the other side.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    That's interesting, it sounds a lot like goals that the PhRMA outlines on its website.

    I imagine reading that has you read to start Tauzin salad.....
     
  16. SamFisher

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    That's not the song that Roberts sang at his confirmation hearing, I'm not going to bother to post the quotes but he outlined scenarios when going against prcedent was necessary and this is not it.

    Further, this is not exactly a Brown v. Board scenario, this is basically calling a "do-over" on a case that was decided a few years ago when it was completely unnecessary to do so as most of the things in that case weren't even at issue, and the Citizens United case could have been decided on much narrower grounds.

    The court basically engineered this one all by its lonesome - probably to its detriment, I imagine the controversy on this one is not going to go away.
     
  17. YallMean

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    Not surprised. What you said about Roberts can be said about many other S.Ct judges.

    Obviously the Court is politically motived. :)
     
  18. glynch

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    Pretty soon we will be able to marry corporations. I think we need a divorce procedure for our relationship with corporations. Let's take away their charter (give them the death penalty or pehaps put them on parole, when they do things like build exploding Ford Pinto because to fix the gas tank would cause $12 and they think that if they just have to pay out a few death claims that it would be cheaper.
     
  19. glynch

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    Sam, you are assuming teabaggers and most conservatives are rational and fact based. Fox News will spin them so they are contented or at least blaming the usual gays, immigrants, educated professionals, minorities etc.

    They are able to be loyal followers of the corporate elite and populists at the same time!
     
  20. glynch

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    Oh, I wish I had your faith. I think people with seek contentment in clebrity scandals, entertainment, the World of War Craft , (the Rockets, wait I did not mean that). They will carry on till we become like Mexico, with Carlos Sims and a few of the world's wealthiest folks along with a huge percentage of poor folk. America will be like a couple of hundred million folks living somewhat like Argentinians of the 1990's in their faded track homes.
     

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