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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, May 17, 2017.

  1. dachuda86

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  2. FranchiseBlade

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    So I will paraphrase the honorable Senator Adam Schiff...

    Is it a faux scandal that the Russians offered dirt on the Democratic party's candidate to help Trump get elected?

    Is it a faux scandal that when that dirt was offered to the President's son who was working on his father's campaign that he didn't call the FBI, he did not refuse to meet with them, instead he said that he would love the help of the Russians?

    Is it a faux scandal that Trump Jr, campaign chair, Manafort, and Jared Kushner took that meeting?

    Is it a faux scandal that they concealed that meeting from the public?

    Is it a faux scandal that when that meeting was discovered they lied and said it was about adoptions?

    Is it a faux scandal that Trump helped come up with that lie?

    Is it a faux scandal that Trump's campaign chairman offered data to a Russian oligarch?

    Is it a faux scandal that the president's son-in-law sought to set up a back channel of communications through a Russian diplomatic facility?

    Is it a faux scandal that people who part of Trump's campaign reached out to hostile intel agencies to try and discover dirt and ways to use it.

    Is it a faux scandal that Trump's appointee reached out to a Russian diplomat about a way to undermine sanctions this nation had put in place against Russia?

    Is it a faux scandal that the person then lied about it to the FBI?

    Those are all things that we know happened. I don't really think any of those things are faux scandals.
     
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  3. dmoneybangbang

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    Lol. Right right. With Hillary there’s certainty that she committe a crime and got off easy but the exact opposite applies to Trump....

    Oh and an investigation being held during a campaign wasn’t a “microscopic up her ass”.....

    I wonder how Ivanka’s and Jared’s emails will be handled under Trump.... hmmmmm
     
  4. dmoneybangbang

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    And per your link:

    Seems like a lot of people agree more with me than you on what the report has concluded so far...
     
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    From the report itself: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

    From the Barr memo: But as noted above, the Special Counsel did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.

    Either Barr is a bold faced liar or all the crap you posted above is false, unimportant, or blown out of proportion. I look forward to the submission of the redacted 300 page Mueller report.

    So to answer your question....yes, all the things you've posted are "Faux scandals". Not because I say so, but because the Mueller team said so.
     
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    Why are you trying purposefully to talk in circles here on this? Franchise was very clear in what he was talking to. Barr's summary of Mueller's report is based solely on CRIMES... Not corruption, or un-patriotic scandal. Not all horrible or un-patriotic things are crimes. We are allowed to have opinions on things that are technically not crimes. You probably feel strongly about someone having 12 abortions in 12 years. Not a crime, but something you probably feel is wrong correct? Are you not allowed to have an opinion on that?

    Its a simple question that you and every other Trump defender will simply not answer. Regardless of whether you can bring charges or not, are you okay with all of the things that Franchise just laid out that Trump & co. did that Schiff commented on?

    Please do not response with your canned talking points "The Mueller report exonerates... No COLLUSION... blah blah". The BARR SUMMARY is not the Mueller report, and it is not the magic eraser for all of Trump's political, and unpatriotic SCANDALS that you are trying to make it be.

    Wrongdoing, Scandal, and Un-patriotic acts that should make you unqualified to lead the country do not have to be prosecutable crimes in order for us to criticize the president for.
     
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    The things I posted are things that have already been verified. You pretending they don't exist does not make it a faux scandal.
     
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    And Barr is merely stating those “faux scandals” don’t meet the legal requirement of collusion/conspiracy not that Trump acted appropriately by not reporting to the authorities that his campaign was being approached by those linked to Russian intel...

    Not that Trump and associates acted appropriately by lying about the nature of their meetings....

    Not that Trump and associates acted fittingly of a presidential candidate and then president....

    If the threshold of the legal requirement is enough for you then thats your opinion.
     
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    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2019/03/29/breaking-mueller-n2543999?platform=hootsuite

    "As we have discussed, I share you desire to ensure that Congress and the public have the opportunity to read the Special Counsel's report. We are preparing the report for release, making the redactions that are required. The Special Counsel is assisting us with this process," Barr wrote to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham and House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler. "Our progress is such that I anticipate we will be in a position to released the report by mid-April, if not sooner. Although the President would have the right to assert executive privilege over certain parts of the report, he has stated publicly that he intends to defer to me and, accordingly, there are no plans to submit the report to the White House for a privilege review."
     
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    I was not aware of that.


     
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    I'm glad the Special Counsel is assisting in the process (whatever that means) and that the White House is not going to be conducting its own privilege review. I wonder if the Special Counsel will be allowed to address (whether in front of Congress or otherwise) whether he was allowed to play a meaningful role in the redaction process and deciding what is legitimate to exclude from the public. If so, it would go a long ways (if the answer is in the affirmative) towards minimizing the natural scepticism of Trump's appointee having final say over what the public eventually gets to see.
     
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    Being concerned about your side’s integrity is for snowflakes.
     
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    She broke a rule not a law. Besides having no command of the facts, you are spot on.
     
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    incredible since they thought it was fair...
     
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    hahaha so defensive. And wrong. Gross negligence. But OK.

    Your golden girl is perfect right?

    I won't sit here and pretend Trump is 100 percent innocent (could have crimes of any nature but what?) but he was exonerated after a longer and harsher investigation than Clinton so move on unless other evidence comes forward. Waiting on that report is like waiting for a team to come back from a 40 point blow out with a minute left in the game. It is a waste of time and unlikely. The level of BSing going on to justify continued cognitive dissonance was funny at first but now it is quite frankly pathetic.
     
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    Not really, when you take into account that Barr never said there wasn't any evidence of wrong doing or when we witnessed Trump and company change their stories publicly regarding various aspects. Most folks still think Trump isn't honest.
     
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    The special counsel is "assisting" because the barr summary seems more and more like a total whitewash trial balloon that deflated as soon as Trump began crowing about complete vindication and locking all of Putin's enemies up.
     
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