Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

OK, first of all, that is not a story about "Election fraud," it is a story about the campaign finance related plea deal that Cohen pled to.

We have discussed this at some length snd I have spoken to this in some detail over the last couple of pages of this thread, so I am not going to type it out all again. Start at the top of page 242, linked below, and read the last three pages of this thread to get up to speed.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php...nsel-for-russia-investigation.282919/page-242

 

Election Fraud is a broad term for crimes related to a campaign or election. You are taking liberties to assume election fraud means changing votes or rigging machines because you know that’s not what I’m talking about and feel it’s a maneuver to make you feel like you won an internet award tonight on an online forum.

All of that is besides the primary point which you refuse to acknowledge because you want to divert. Trump has commited crimes. That’s as obvious as stating the Rockets won a basketball game tonight. What you are doing is saying “well you are wrong... it’s an NBA regular season basketball game and since you aren’t stating the game the way I’m wanting to phrase it, the game never happened at all tonight.”

 

Aiding and Abetting Computer Crimes
Conspiracy to Defraud the United States
Campaign Finance Violations
Obstruction of Justice
Witness Tampering

Since Trump has now foolishly responded to Mueller's questions, we can probably add lying to the FBI.

 

Unlike our Republican friends, I am content to wait and see where the full investigation takes us.

The only real thing I've learned publicly so far is that Donald Trump has really, really crappy taste in friends/associates.

 

Fair enough but you said agreement which never occurred.

 

That’s fine to clarify but I’d hope people were caught up enough to know what I meant.

 

Exactly, and i would go a step further and say he is close to people like this purposely.

 

Trump's week in review ...

 

interesting analysis

excerpt:

"No prosecutor builds a case the way Mueller is going about it. What prosecutor says, 'Here’s our witness line-up: Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, Alex van der Zwaan, Rick Gates, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen. And what is it that they have in common, ladies and gentlemen of the jury? Bingo! They’re all convicted liars.'?

"… For a prosecutor, like any trial lawyer, what the jury thinks is at least as important as what the law says. If the most memorable thing the jury takes into the deliberation room is that no one should believe a word your witnesses say, you are not going to convict the lowliest grifter, much less the president of the United States of America. As a prosecutor, you build a case by having your cooperating accomplice witnesses plead guilty to the big scheme you are trying to pin on the main culprit. After all, what makes these witnesses accomplices, literally, is that they were participants in the main culprit’s crime. That’s the scheme you’re trying to prove. So, on guilty-plea day, the cooperator comes into court and admits guilt to the same conspiracy on which you are trying to nail the lead defendant…

"In short, you build a case by first establishing the foundational criminal offense. Juries do not convict people because they like or trust the prosecution’s witnesses. They convict because they are persuaded that justice demands redress for a real crime.

"Note that word: crime. There are many wrongs that are not crimes, activities that are immoral, mendacious, unseemly. If we are talking about cosmic justice, all these wrongs should be made right. But prosecutors do not operate in a cosmic-justice system. They are in the criminal-justice system. The only wrongs they are authorized to address — the only wrongs it is appropriate for them to address — are crimes…

"With respect to the president and 'collusion,' Mueller does not have a crime he is investigating. He is investigating in hopes of finding a crime, which is a day-and-night different thing… in the cases of Papadopoulos and Cohen….Mueller did not charge them as crimes because they are not crimes. Papadopoulos, Cohen, and the rest got jammed up, not for what they did, but for lying about what they did. That brings us to the “where there’s smoke, there must be fire” talking-point Mueller fans have been trying out: If all these people are lying to cover something up, that something must involve some egregious criminality. That’s ridiculous. We know from our own daily lives that crimes account for only a very small percentage of the things people lie about. Indeed, throughout the 1990s, Democrats insisted that prosecutors should leave Bill Clinton alone because everybody lies about sex. People lie about things that they are embarrassed or ashamed about….

"[Mueller] knows that the legitimacy of his investigation is under attack, allegedly driven by politics rather than evidence of crime. But the convictions he has amassed, even if they are only for false statements or are otherwise unrelated to the Trump-Russia rationale for the investigation, prove that many people Trump brought into his campaign were corruptible and of low character. Mueller, the career Justice Department and FBI man, will deftly use this fact to argue that suspicions about these people, and hence the investigation, were fully justified even if — thankfully — there was no prosecutable Trump–Russia conspiracy.

"Trump’s Republican and conservative critics will cheer, figuring the president and his rogues’ gallery had it coming. Democrats will cheer, knowing this would never happen to Democrats."​

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018...n-trump-russia-investigation-report-not-case/

 

lying is okay.. the truth and facts are overrated

- the dotard and his supporters

 

same analysis, lefty source(s)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...looking-political-sin/?utm_term=.6269b1a20f33

 

Yes, Alan Dershowitz: Constant Trump Defender, is a lefty source.

 

sleight of hand by OT.

WaPo is reporting on Dershowitz's take

 

you mean pedo source

 

I know folks here will enjoy this one as well

https://www.realclearinvestigations..._mueller_appears_to_be_exonerating_trump.html

 

People are free to speculate in whichever direction they would like.

 

lol exonerated

You sheep will believe anything.

 

the Dersh's WSJ op-ed piece today

https://www.wsj.com/articles/dont-let-muellers-report-go-unanswered-1543786233