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RNC recap: Day 1

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Faos, Aug 30, 2004.

  1. mc mark

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    So why aren't people of differing opinions allowed at campaign events without signing a loyalty oath?
     
  2. Chance

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    Ask Moore.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    basso, I agree with what you are saying if we had done nothing. But there is a difference between doing nothing and invading when it wasn't needed.

    I said before if Bush would have gotten tough with the UN got the inspectors back and let them do their job, explored the possibility of having our CIA, and FBI agents on the ground inside Iraq etc. then they would have remained completely contained. Bush would have been seen as a great statesman who got the UN to do their job, etc. We would have still been pursuing Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, Saddam would have remained contained, Bush would have gotten tough with the UN but still managed to work with other nations to do what needed to be done.

    I gained a lot of respect for Bush in the way he initially dealt with 9/11 and Afghanistan. I would have begrudgingly had to have handed him even more respect and credit had he done what I mentioned above. I think everyone would have. Instead he trashed all the respect I gained for him, started a war that we didn't need to fight, and quite possibly forever altered America's principles regarding democracy, war as a last resort etc.
     
  4. mc mark

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    What does Moore have to do with not letting people into campaign events?
     
  5. SamFisher

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    Nothing at all. He's just the all-purpose Republican retort, no matter what the context or how inept the analogy.
     
  6. RocketMan Tex

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    When you're candidate can't run on his own record, this is what you are left with.
     
  7. ima_drummer2k

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    I think he means that Moore was at the RNC last night. Somebody must have let him in by mistake.
     
  8. Chance

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    That is what I meant. And he was polite and proper. When McCain jeered him he smiled and waived.
     
  9. Faos

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    The most important issue of this campaign is terrorism and 9/11 is a big part of that. I don't see why they wouldn't talk about it.
     
  10. Faos

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    Moore was "officially" there as a reporter for USA Today (I guess I'll have to stop reading that now).

    Here's his column from todays edition:

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...040831/cm_usatoday/thegopdoesntreflectamerica

    The GOP doesn't reflect America
    Michael Moore, Filmmaker

    NEW YORK — Welcome, Republicans. You're proud Americans who love your country. In your own way, you want to make this country a better place. Whatever our differences, you should be commended for that.


    But what's all this talk about New York being enemy territory? Nothing could be further from the truth. We New Yorkers love Republicans. We have a Republican mayor and governor, a death penalty and two nuclear plants within 30 miles of the city.


    New York is home to Fox News Channel. The top right-wing talk shows emanate from here — Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly among them. The Wall Street Journal is based here, which means your favorite street is here. Not to mention more Fortune 500 executives than anywhere else.


    You may think you're surrounded by a bunch of latte-drinking effete liberals, but the truth is, you're right where you belong, smack in the seat of corporate America and conservative media.


    Let me also say I admire your resolve. You're true believers. Even though only a third of the country defines itself as "Republican," you control the White House, Congress, Supreme Court and most state governments.


    You're in charge because you never back down. Your people are up before dawn figuring out which minority group shouldn't be allowed to marry today.


    Our side is full of wimps who'd rather compromise than fight. Not you guys.


    Hanging out around the convention, I've encountered a number of the Republican faithful who aren't delegates. They warm up to me when they don't find horns or a tail. Talking to them, I discover they're like many people who call themselves Republicans but aren't really Republicans. At least not in the radical-right way that George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John Ashcroft and Co. have defined Republicans.


    I asked one man who told me he was a "proud Republican," "Do you think we need strong laws to protect our air and water?"


    "Well, sure," he said. "Who doesn't?"


    I asked whether women should have equal rights, including the same pay as men.


    "Absolutely," he replied.


    "Would you discriminate against someone because he or she is gay?"


    "Um, no." The pause — I get that a lot when I ask this question — is usually because the average good-hearted person instantly thinks about a gay family member or friend.


    I've often found that if I go down the list of "liberal" issues with people who say they're Republican, they are quite liberal and not in sync with the Republicans who run the country. Most don't want America to be the world's police officer and prefer peace to war. They applaud civil rights, believe all Americans should have health insurance and think assault weapons should be banned. Though they may personally oppose abortion, they usually don't think the government has the right to tell a women what to do with her body.


    There's a name for these Republicans: RINOs or Republican In Name Only. They possess a liberal, open mind and don't believe in creating a worse life for anyone else.


    So why do they use the same label as those who back a status quo of women earning 75 cents to every dollar a man earns, 45 million people without health coverage and a president who has two more countries left on his axis-of-evil-regime-change list?


    I asked my friend on the street. He said what I hear from all RINOs: "I don't want the government taking my hard-earned money and taxing me to death. That's what the Democrats do."


    Money. That's what it comes down to for the RINOs. They do work hard and have been squeezed even harder to make ends meet. They blame Democrats for wanting to take their money. Never mind that it's Republican tax cuts for the rich and billions spent on the Iraq war that have created the largest deficits in history and will put all of us in hock for years to come.


    The Republican Party's leadership knows America is not only filled with RINOs, but most Americans are much more liberal than the delegates gathered in New York.


    The Republicans know it. That's why this week we're seeing gay-loving Rudy Giuliani, gun-hating Michael Bloomberg and abortion-rights advocate Arnold Schwarzenegger.


    As tough of a pill as it is to swallow, Republicans know that the only way to hold onto power is to pass themselves off as, well, as most Americans. It's a good show.


    So have a good time, Republicans. It could be your last happy party for awhile if all the RINOs and liberal majority figure it out on Nov. 2.
     
  11. mc mark

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    Please! He had press credentials and was there to write a story. Nice save Chance.

    Anyhoo! Back to the topic.

    Arnold speaks tonight! Interesting...

    So far there is McCain, Giuliani and now Arnold. All three disagree with the adopted party platform on major issues and yet they are front and center of the convention. Wonder why?
     
  12. mc mark

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    Faos when you finally watch a whole speech of one of the delegates then I think you can comment in your own thread.
     
  13. basso

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    WOT. 'tis the issue that trumps all. the democrats might have a chance if they ever figured that out, and found a way to speak to it effectively. "reporting for duty" is an empty slogan, not a policy.
     
  14. ima_drummer2k

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    Damn! How did he get in without signing an oath? ;)

    Because the Republican party is unified?
     
  15. mc mark

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    Seems the RNC might want to rethink that.

    From your own FOX news...

    Most Important Issues

    Economy/Jobs 60%
    War 10%
    Terrorism/Homeland Security 20%

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,86468,00.html[/url
     
  16. Chump

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    this is a big problem for RNC, they need people to be afraid, that is why you see 9/11 and WOT as the focus points

    DailyKos's summary of Day One echos my thoughts

     
  17. SamFisher

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    That's unfortunate for them because consumer confidence is dipping and a crucial jobs report is due out on Friday morning -- right after Bush's speech.
     
  18. basso

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  19. mc mark

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    yes. That was a good line. I like Rudy. Voted for him and again, thought his speech was very effective. He's just wrong.
     
  20. basso

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    well, for me, that's one more reason to vote bush. my new job comes with a substantial salary bump. if kerry wins, my income taxes are guaranteed to rise, since to democratic party now considers me rich (even though i often have to double check my bank balance to make sure i can afford a fare card- not all republicans can afford limos, michael moore!).
     

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