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RIP GOP PARTY 1854-2016 - GOP Appreciation thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by IBTL, May 3, 2016.

  1. ima_drummer2k

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    The local guy on 700 in the mornings. He has been one of the biggest culprits in raging against "the establishment" since the beginning. He totally changed his tune this morning.

    Full disclosure: I only listen to him in for 30 minutes or so and then a little Hannity in the afternoons during Charlie Pallilo's commercials.
     
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  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    I love seeing ignoramuses make this argument. You don't seem to realize that after the CRA and VRA were passed, the racists left the Southern Democrats in the dust and started voting for Republicans.

    Of course, I suspect that you know that, but still use this misinformation to try and snow people who don't know their history.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    No, LBJ signed it and observed that in doing so, the Democrats lost the South for at least a generation. He knew that what he was doing would cause electoral issues throughout the South, but did it anyway because it was the right thing to do. Southern Democrats became Republicans because the Democrats outside the South had the gall to grant civil and voting rights to black people.

    Just about every Republican politician in the Southern states.
     
  4. GladiatoRowdy

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    Agreed. It is truly sad what has happened to the political party for whose candidate I voted in the first presidential election for which I was qualified.

    I guess they have to implode completely before they can reinvent themselves.
     
  5. Butterfingers

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    I just hope we get a party that supports social rights, high taxes, and reduced spending.
     
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  6. Northside Storm

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    Oh, you and I know that? Go commission a study on it.

    White supremacist thought was embedded in federal policy for generations, and its effects still persist today. It's relevant to ask that question given the historical context. Whenever black supremacy, Martian supremacy, or Asian supremacy leads to one of the largest bouts of economic prosperity being red-lined away from certain ethnic groups, let me know.

    As for your strawman that painfully sidesteps the racism you were asking for, who have the Black Panthers endorsed? Let me know. Black Lives Matter, the bogeyman, has been protesting Hillary and Bernie in case you haven't noticed, while the KKK have been busy endorsing Trump. hmm. telling.

    And why won't you condemn racism that you see instead of trying to deflect to other sources of racism you have no empirical evidence for?
     
  7. bingsha10

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    That's what democrats like to tell themselves anyway. Sadly, political shifts are a bit more complicated than that.
     
  8. okierock

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    The people who answered those questions were not committing any acts of racism so I don't know what you want me to condemn. If you are asking me to condemn stupidity I'll be more than happy to but I'm not going to be labeled a racist by anyone just because I have voted for the more conservative of the two parties in this country. This topic in this thread came from the constant labeling as racist of all Republicans. You can say this all you want just like I can say that Democrats are racist all I want it doesn't make it true and it is in fact a lie.

    The KKK endorsing Trump doesn't make any other Republican any more racist than any other Democrat it just make a bigot out of the person implying that it does.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    Traditionally they supported neither party. They were against government aid for African-Americans, and were against most welfare programs, food stamps, etc.

    They were in favor of small business and believed that they should be black owned, and employ black employees.

    I don't really follow the New Black Panther Party, so I have no idea.
     
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  10. okierock

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    If you take the racist parts out I like a lot of what you say these guys stand for... ie

    Traditionally they supported neither party. They were against government aid in most cases, and were against most welfare programs, food stamps, etc.

    They were in favor of small business owned by the people.
     
  11. Northside Storm

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    LOL.

    If all Democrats are racist, post some empirical proof.

    So what you're saying is that white supremacists aren't racists?

    I'm not saying you're a racist or that all Republicans are racist, I'm saying you asked for evidence of systematic racism in politics and I gave it to you. But now I'm a bigot because I share facts. thanks breh.
     
  12. okierock

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    You haven't posted jack that proves systematic racism in politics. You posted some back woods poll of idiots who probably had trouble understanding the questions presented to them as proof that all Republicans are racist.

    Your a bigot because you label people as something they are not based on your own prejudice. To be honest I don't think you were the one in here calling all Republicans racists you just happened to show up to defend the idea...
     
  13. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Well actually the reality is that competitive overseas pressures and a more competitive labor market overall keeps labor costs down down and then you have monstrously increasing costs in 3 areas: health care, real estate, and education. That is preventing the middle class from being able to save for retirement since they have to spend a good chunk to just survive and the sliver left goes to pay for social security and medicare.

    However globalization is not the only cause here, this is borne out by the incredible record of corporate profits - never in the history of this country, or the entire history of humanity, has companies made such a bounty and are sitting on more cash than is conceivable. Those profits have not "trickled down" as Reagan promised they would. That is why we are seeing stagnation.

    It's not the GOP that is dying here - it's the country. America is no more, it will never come back - the people simply are unable to grasp what has happened. We are now and forever a corporatocracy. The quality of American life will decline and there is nothing that can be done. The right is angry and knows it, and the left is angry and knows it.

    But neither gets what has happened. And this is how the great states in human history decline. We had our time in the sun. And history will note us for that.

    This is the dawn of China as the world's leader. And it's not a GOP or a Democrat's fault. It is all of our fault.
     
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  14. Deckard

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    Worth repeating and the absolute truth.
     
  15. okierock

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    The history is correct the narrative is complete bs and exactly the party line crap that they want you to parrot.

    The welfare state that panders to a voting block that keeps the big money sustaining the (blatant copy of Sweet Lou) "Corporatocracy" in power is the closest thing we have to slavery today. The last thing they want is for their voting block to actually make it out of the welfare state, they might start worrying about their taxes... The slavery is the welfare state and the chains are the income gap between it and the lowest middle class. Socialism is here to make that gap as big as possible and the voting blocks separate.

    Vote for me and I'll fight for you.... here is some Sh!tty healthcare law... $15/hr(working at McDonalds can be career!)... woot... that other racist party hates you.... we need more taxes from them so we can give them to you... (or our corporate buddies that got us this job)...FREE COLLEGE...

    The other side is just as bad, playing off the division of the country using fear and hate (Trump is the worst but REALLY good at it) to make sure we don't get together on anything and actually save this country. I'm tired of it.

    There has never been a time when the candidates were so apparently different but so obviously EXACTLY the same... They are playing us. If there is anyone on this forum that actually believes either one of these candidates gives two squirts of goose $hit about you and they aren't just a lying puppet please speak up.

    I don't know who will be on the ballot that isn't one of the DNC or GOP puppets but I'm voting for them. This country is more than right and left.
     
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  16. Dubious

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    I'd prefer "vote for me and I own't let them **** you over". That's really all I ask.
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    I touched on this in another thread about Hillary Clinton. The world has really changed and the days of a good paying manufacturing job for life with a hefty pension are long past. Many of the proposals of both Sanders and Trump to try to recreate that world are unrealistic at best and at worse will do far more damage to not just the US economy but the World economy.

    Protectionism has almost always been a long term loser and the idea that we're going to be winning by engaging in a trade war with the PRC and other trading partners ignores that it's not just labor and goods that is fluid but also capital and a lot of that capital is fuels development in the US. Further the idea that just putting up protectionist barriers will suddenly lead to a lot of manufacturing jobs in the US ignores that it will take a lot of time to rebuild new factories to do things like making small consumer goods. In the meantime the low prices that American consumer benefits from cheap overseas produced goods will skyrocket. In the end the wall, both literal and figurative, will end up causing more economic hardship that it solves.

    I agree though that we do have a strong disconnect between corporate profits and the rest of society. I would agree that reform is needed there but slapping up walls and tariffs I don't think will make corporations reform. If anything I think it will cause them to shift costs even further upon the consumers rather than redistributing profits.
     
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  18. Dubious

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    I'd like to get his thread back on track. The future of the GOP is actually a pretty interesting subject to consider rationally. It appears the alliance between the the God, guns and gays factions and the fiscal conservative (low tax and and less regulation) is splitting. I've always felt that the white collar conservatives just used the passionate regressives as their voting proxies, neither is particularly invested in the other's goals other than strong defense spending.
     
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  19. Dairy Ashford

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    Honestly in what universe is a billionaire casino and luxury high rise developer not tied to Wall Street, and how does he escape stigma in the wake of a man made real estate based recession.
     
  20. Dairy Ashford

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    The GOP's not going anywhere, people probably made the same weird pronouncements about the DNC after the tent collapsed in '68; then in '84 between Gary Hart, Ted Kennedy, Mondale and their own inexperienced, racially partisan candidate.
     
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