Right-wing Rabbis call for the extermination of Palestinians

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This article doesn't exactly reveal anything new. Extremist rabbi's hate muslims, christians, and anyone not jewish just like Extremist cleric/imam's hate anyone not muslim (and of their denomination).

The only reason the extremism of other religions doesn't see the light of day in media is because it isn't as sexy or relative to our current involvement overseas in Afghanistan/Iraq/Pakistan.....but that tide is slowly turning with more and more people every year getting irritated with the ongoing Palestine-Israel issues being rendered pointless due to the same issues of territory and blockades. I know personally in the past 3-5 years I've seen more and more people start to question motives of Israel and grossly disproportionate funding and monetary ties between America and Israel. Not exactly stating any sort of conspiratory charge, obviously these ties have been built upon issues going back decades and didn't spring up after 1 specific event or meeting, but pointing out that as time goes on, people become more privy to issues surrounding government money and relations especially when the nation as a whole is fixated in a financial crunch and looking to cut costs.

 

Nutty rabbis in Israel say things as bad or worse than this every day. You should hear what's publicly said about Africans. Or Christians. Or Christian Africans...

What lot of them hold political office (and power in the current coalition) are going to find themselves with a lot less seats in the next Knesset and thankfully out of the king-making business.

With all due respect to mgraye2969, I used to smoke the hasbara pipe too. Live here 5 or 6 years and you might be as frustrated as the people who were born here. I think billions of dollars in development into the West Bank and the efforts by the US to help build an infrastructure there, and law enforcement has done more to cool the situation than anything else. If you live in Jerusalem I suggest you talk to the very tired State Dept folks who work for the US Consolate there and have been continuing their assignments for years under the (often laughed at) presumption that Palestine will achieve statehood.

You'll find them on Friday nights drinking in the few bars that manage to remain open.

The wall doesn't follow any border that anyone (including Israel) recognizes and has less to due with security than it does a pre-emptive land grab before any new maps can be drawn. If you are American, you have a liberty most Israelis don't have: you can actually go there and see for yourself without being arrested.

 

I was there in the West Bank a couple weeks ago. I had an arab driving me around, as my Jewish guide wasn't allowed past the checkpoint in Jerusalem.

Your point about the Israelis not being able to go in there --> I think you do realize that's Israel's policy, not the Palestinians. Israel doesn't want its people going in there and getting kidnapped / held hostage. You know that, though.

 

Well, some several people were able to understand it, so I don't think it was that incomprehensible.

In short, I was calling you out for your constant claims that every member of a religion is responsible for the actions of extremists, and applying it to this case with the rabbis.

 

Right now I live in the Negev volunteering at an Arab/Bedouin school. I will move to Jerusalem in a couple of months and back to Houston in June in which I can not wait. I guess the State Department people wont be hard to find if they go to the bar in Jerusalem on Friday so hopefully I can get more educated on the situation. I don't smoke the Hasbara pipe cause in reality Israel only gets bad press except for on websites like Haeretz.com and Jpost.com along with a few others. There is no neutral website to read about the Israel-Palestine conflict so...

 

Israel doesn't mind it's citizens living there in it's tax-subsidized gated communities guarded by it's conscripted army, though. There was also the recent McCarthyite drama about a few actors who refused to perform in a settlement there.

Ramallah is considerably safer than the roads to the settlements or settlements in places like Hebron. I was invited to play music there, and we couldn't do it because one of my band members is an Intel reservist...he'd lose his clearance and likely much worse.

Ostensibly, keeping Israelis out is for security, but if you are Israeli and get caught, you are turned over to Shin Bet, for investigation as a suspected political radical...even if all you did was sneak over to watch a concert or a game with friends.

At the same time, tax dollars are spent to house the most radical element of the Israeli public alongside them...which I think most reasonable people can agree is not terribly secure. People often bitterly joke that if the Occupation were really to end that people inside the Green Line would have to deal with the nutballs moving into their communities...and ruining them.

 

Haaretz is the most vocal anti-Occupation news source in Israel, so that's no surprise, but I think they a better effort at letting prominent opinion makers of diverging viewpoints write for them. Moshe Arens is a regular contributor. Hardly a leftie.

The Post used to be a bit left...but it was bought by Conrad Black, in the late 80's and started moving very right until Horowitz became the editor and tried to keep it from becoming a neo-con rag by hiring new blood and offering more diverse opinions.

But the audience has become QUITE right-wing. The JPost defers to "experts" like Daniel Pipes for information about the arab world, and most of the regular contributors (especially Caroline Glick) pretty much parrot Likud party dogma. There's not even much debate among the right-wingers there. Haaretz is very Left, but at least the columnists all disagree with each other...and pretty much every political party. What hurts the readability of Haaretz is that most of their op-ed writers are old, bitter, elitest (and political irrelevant Leftist) intellectuals who love to hear themselves talk...which irritates even the audience that is supposed to like them.

They used to have Noami Chazan at the Post, which was pretty cool and open-minded of David Horowitz...until their readers demanded they sack her for being a "traitor" for suggesting that the Israeli government do their own investigation of the charges alleged by the Goldstone Report.

All they have now is Larry Derfner, who gets about 100 volatile talkbacks accusing him of being a "self-loathing Jew" any time he dares to criticize anything about the Israeli government. The sad thing is, most of what he complains about is daily life absurdity and his political positions hardly seem radical.

Anyway..both papers have a very small readership. Jpost is an English-only paper, and Haaretz is the only Hebrew paper with an English version...so they appear more important than they really are. My Hebrew sucks however...so I'm stuck with those or ynet.

The closest you'll get to objectivity in Israel is maybe Deutsche Welle or ZDF, but they don't exactly rock the boat to report stories, either. Reporting reality is often very upsetting to very powerful people.

The only Israeli that even reports from the Territories is Amira Hass. She often reports news even Al-Jazeera can't get...and as a result she's regarded as, you guessed it, a traitor for it.

 

Please provide proof of these alleged "constant claims that every member of a religion is responsible for the actions of extremists". If you are unable to provide proof of such alleged constant claims, I eagerly await your apology. Thank you in advance.

 

Addendum

You have to understand the ATW logic.

You are speaking out against the atrocities of certain Jews. The rest of the Jews in the world haven't all gotten on television and denounced these extremists for ATW to witness, therefore every Jewish person is just as responsible because it is an inherent flaw in Judaism. Thus, you hate all Jewish people.

If you call him out he will call you a liar, ask you to provide proof and eagerly await an apology.

EDIT: Grammar Nazi was on my case.

 

lol, that movie sucks.

Religious people do stupid things. nothing new .

 

I really appreciate your input and feel you have a genuine and sincere wish for peace.

I have a couple of questions I hope you can answer.


How can you claim that extremists have no say in Israel's government when the Israeli government claims that it is trying to stop settlements and are incapable of keeping settlers under control?

Also, how can me or you believe that Israel is serious about negotiations if it wanted to enter these negtiations while settlers were doing more construction and celebrating it openly and legally?

Thanks, I'm genuinely interested in your view about these questions and am honestly tired about hearing the conspiracy theories about these things.

 

This is just hilarious lol

ATW, most, if not all, of this board don't need proof to be dug up from the past to know this.

For your sake, I hope no one digs up the mountains upon mountains of proof for this. Because you're attempt at rationalization of just SO MUCH proof would be sad to watch.

You should take this as a sign actually. This is who you are on the D&D.

 

Nothing really to contribute, just thought some people could use a laugh.

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1) Where is the proof?
2) Stop constantly talking as if you speak for others. It makes you look even more insecure than you obviously are.

You have a few "followers" who are clearly even more unable than you to articulate a complete sentence - that does not make you smart or an authority on anything.

You, Mathloom, the guy who said that until recently, he valued the life of muslims over the lives of any others, and the guy who, until recently, said that he wishes someone lives in fear for the rest of his life over drawing a cartoon.

You are no authority on anything. Stop talking as if you are, and self-aggrandizing yourself.

 

You're SO funny dude!!

I don't have any followers, that's more in line with your ideology.

There's no point bringing up your mountains of posts, and as I said I hope no one does, because you will try to rationalize it in a very very sad way. I can visualize it right now.

I'm an idiot, I'm a fool, I'm insecure, I'm a terrorist, I'm a liar to you. I accept that from you, got it, read it, noted it, filed it. I'm a horrible horrible person, I'm a monster, I hate babies and puppies, I'm homophobic, bla bla bla bla bla 'fill in ATW's favorite personal attack here'.

Doesn't change what I said. A person has to be really terrible to passively take that position in the first place, and then to actually deny it later. It's behavior typical of aversive racism which I've been reading about. Always tip-toeing on the line of appropriateness in public spaces to be able to rationalize later through technicalities. It's the multi-dimensional bigotry of the 21st century.

But I'm so hurt that you've used italics to call me out. If you had just said anything, I would be able to handle that. But for you to go all out and say anything is just too much to take.

 

Stupid thing to say. No different than the radical Imams that preach hate and "martyrdom" aka suicide bombing. Worse than the Westboro Baptist idiots who just preach about what they see as the consequences of others actions. They should receive no funding from the government of Israel. Anyone who tries to put these teachings into practice should be punished accordingly.

 

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Where is the denouncement from the Jewish leaders in America, Iran, and Europe? (Using ATW Logic)