[Rick Reily] Someone Stop This Man (Yates' Greg Wise)

Yes they do. But Yates is up huge way before the final 2 minutes, and folks still complain about them continuing to press and score, are they not? Let's not try to act like folks are only complaining about the last 2 minutes. Yates has been up big in the first quarter on some of these teams, hence me not having an issue with their backups continuing to run their system. So when should they start stalling, once they get up a certain amount even if it's in the first qtr?

I believe I stated I don't have an issue because the bench seniors need to play and the underclassmen need to get ready. This was mentioned in the same post so it was hard to miss. As far as more examples, anytime a team chases a record (no hitter, consecutive wins, trip dub in some cases, scoring mark in a game, world record, etc). It's the same thing.

Yes college coaches want their kids to do more than press. Kinda how NFL teams want their QB to do more than what Mack had VY doing at UT. But like most coaches, they have their players do what helps thief team best.

You keep ignoring the question. How many times have you seen Yates play?

 

i haven't really read the thread, but i am happy to see the ultimate r****ded comparision to katy football brought up.

 

Major

When Yates beat Lee 170-35, they were up 53-6 after Q1. Should the coach have had his players chill for 3 quarters? They were up 100-12 at the half.

They beat Davis 127-26. They were up 46-10 after 1, and 77-14 after 2. When should they have chilled?

Please realize the subs were in early in both of these games. In other words, the score could have been worse. How is a coach supposed to get his team ready for good teams by having his players only go all out for a quarter or a half, especially when their system relies on 32 minutes of hell (takes a lot of stamina)? I ask this because you are harping on this 2 minute garbage, when in these games Yates is up big quite early. So what is your solution?

 

100-12 at the half? Doesn't sound like that game's going to get them ready for much of anything. That's like saying the Texans could get ready for the Colts by playing hard against a junior college.

 

I'm sure blowing crappy teams out by 130 points and playing press defense against players who can barely dribble and then fouling so you can get a few extra possessions to try to set a record will REALLY help prepare a team to play against equal competition.

Heck, I hear that when UT's football team is preparing for bowl games they go play a YMCA flag football team and kill them. It really helps them prepare for the good teams they are about to face.

 

When your system relies on you pressing for 32 minutes, assuming you were playing a good team, then going through entire portions of a season not playing your system for the majority of the game really isn't to your teams benefit, is it? So your solution is that the coach should prepare his team for state by having them stall for the majority of all games against HISD schools?

 

That's what practice is for. What gets you in better shape- working on the press every day in practice + doing conditioning drills or pressing a completely inferior team in a game? I don't know how many minutes the 2nd and 3rd string players play in complete blowouts but I doubt it makes much of a difference from a physical standpoint and even from a skill standpoint. The totally inferiority teams probably have bad habits when it comes to breaking the press; too much dribbling, weak passes, etc... Not to mention that they probably are so inferior physically and skill wise that even if they knew how to break a press and not panic they would still not be able to get past half court. If you're able to beat a team by 100 I doubt that you're going to learn anything by pressing them to death or help your team at all. I think its all ego.

 

you keep reusing this "well they need to prepare themselves for state by pressing" if their coach is so good, he must practice them pretty well. they can work on their press scrimmaging each other in practice. in fact, since they're so good, their practices are probably better preparing them anyways. seeing as their 2nd and 3rd stringers are apparently looking at getting scholarships to play college ball according to you.

again, i didnt know who yates was before these scores, so i havent seen them play. i dont live in texas. but i understand basketball enough to know teams press to push the tempo, and i understand schools with great athleticism use a press to create turnovers to get easy buckets. but when the game is clearly out of reach at halftime, i see no reason to continue pressing. again, to score 100+ in a high school game, i can only think that the other team isnt getting the ball past half court against the press. so its essentially 1 or 2 passes, steal, layup. rinse, wash, repeat. which if is the case, which i gotta believe its pretty much that way, its not helping them prepare.

 

Major if you had seen Yates play, then you'd know that Greg Wise was actually WHITE!

 

I pose the same question to you. This post is also in response to the "do it in practice" crowd. When Yates is up 53-6 on a team after Q1 (and backups HAVE played), then what should the coach do for the next 3 quarters? Yates had 24 games against Texas based schools this season. I can't find the boxscores for 2 blowouts so let's cut the list down to 22. Yates was up by at least 25 points at the half of 13 of those games. They were up at least 25 after Q1 in 8 of those games. Again, the bench plays early. So this coach should sacrifice over half of his available game time to get his team ready for state and just practice? Are you serious?

In the midst of a blowout, when should he have his players ease up? A qtr or two of real play is good enough to get your team ready, just so you can be a good sport?

 

YES...because there's something to be learned from good sportsmanship. It's high school basketball for chrissakes. There is absolutely no benefit from blowing teams out by 100. Do you really think if they took their foot off the pedal once up 50 or 60 or 70 points that they wouldn't be in the same position they are now. They are clearly one of the best teams in the nation. I don't see how playing simple man-to-man for a portion of the game would change that at all...especially if this coach is as good as he makes himself out to be.

Also, shouldn't the coach think of what his players might be doing in the future? Not all of these guys will go to colleges that press. Maybe he's hurting them on an individual basis by not teaching them the whole game.

 

A reply to the column:

http://www.rolandsmartin.com/blog/index.php/2010/03/11/rick-reilly-needs-grow-a-pair/

 

When should they ease up is my question? First quarter? Halftime? Realize you are requesting a team to spend at least a full half of play, in the majority of their games, stalling. Over half of their games. How is that not ridiculous....

 

There is no clear answer. However, if it's the 3rd quarter and you have an 80 point lead, I'd say that would be a pretty damn clear indicator that you're going to win the f***ing game. Laying off the press at that point only affects the possibility that you might only win by 60.

 

Roland Martin is the man.

 

whine, whine whine
It amazes me how evryone is screaming spotesmanship until it is there team, or there kid, then it keep the foot on the throat.
AS A JACK YATES ALUM, i have a question. Where was all this "Sportsmanship" talk when Bellaire was beat the lowly Yates baseball team 30-3.

 

Yates "Alum" huh? Your first sentence amazed me.....

 

Ahahahahahahahahahaha

Way to represent Yates!

Bastions of sportsmanship AND offering an outstanding education!

 

We come in all flavors. I'm sure your school does too.

 

Don't take offense. I was jabbing at that particular poster. I'm sure like most HISD schools there are plenty of intelligent people mixed with the ones who manged to get through our educational system without ever learning to use their own language.