[Rick Reily] Someone Stop This Man (Yates' Greg Wise)

Yeah right. It could also be argued that Yates leaving their starters in would give the opposition a better chance since the starters would be tired. Oh, and HS no-hitters are not *rare*. And individual achievements are supposed to be selfish, no? At least more so than team goals (championships, scoring records, etc). I'm still not a fan of the intentional fouling thing though (if it happened).

 

And no shot clock. The other team can literally hold the ball for the entire game if they want.

Same here with the football, never won a junior high game. Now it would have been much better had we have won, no doubt about it. And high school is a step up from junior high. But back then I thought playing a school sport on Wednesdays in front of the peers was a better alternative than doing science homework. It was like wow, we're acutally playing using a SCOREboard and have people calling penalties ?

Once you pass the 50 point threshold, might as well go for 150.

 

Yes some have suggested just that. No grasping. I'm fine. It was just an analogy. I see a correlation. You don't. It's cool.

 

How many of you were high school athletes?

I know when my teams got beat badly, I was pissed at my own team, not the team that beat our ass. I still laugh with old friends about the time St. Pius beat us in football by close to 100.

There is nothing wrong with what Yates is doing, they arn't playing 5 year olds who will get their feelings hurt, they are ****ing teenagers.

 

Just a heads up....the Yates game is currently airing on foxsportshouston.com

 

No one is suggesting that they stop playing. But most seem to be suggesting that they abandon the way they play, or change it, because the other teams in their division aren't as good. That's what you are doing when you ask 2nd and 3rd stringers in high school to not execute what they kill themselves practicing, or asking the coach to sacrifice some of the time spent practicing a system used to dominate...so they can practice a stall offense or something else that doesn't serve their best interests (since the press is helping them dominate). Neither of these is really fair to Yates....basically asking them to limit themselves in the name of good sportsmanship.

And as I'm watching the game now, Yates is only up 38-29. Assuming this game stays close, not running their system all year long wouldn't exactly help them prepare to do it when they need to all game long.

 

Man, this has been an entertaining game to watch. Up-and-down action nonstop

 

If the game is close, the 3rd stringers aren't going to be playing. And them practicing their press against a bunch of crappy opponents is not going to help them. That's like saying NBA players dunking on a bunch of college kids is going to help them be better NBA players.

Do you think coaches have a problem with other teams running up scores?

 

The 3rd stringers aren't but the 2nd stringers are, especially since 2 players have been hurt in stretches of this game. And practicing the press against crap opponents doesn't help you as far as doing it against top teams, but it does help you get physically prepared to do it if you are called upon. Do you think it's easy to run all game long? Do you not see the possibility of a player getting in foul trouble or hurt?

Yes I think coaches have issues with teams running up the score. But I see it done all the time. Are you saying you don't? If running your standard offense/defense with the bottom of your bench results in you scoring, then so be it.

Do you think it's fair for a bench warmer to bust his balls to learn a press, and never be able to do it when he gets to play? What if this kid is a senior, either trying to get a scholarship or just enjoy the last of his HS playing days?

 

Yeah. Crowd seems to be rooting for the underdog though.

 

would it be fair for a bench warmer to bust his balls to learn a press, and never be able to get to play because the scores are all too close? it comes with the territory, if you're a bench warmer, that means players above you get the most minutes. if you're getting garbage minutes, then you have to deal with the fact you might have to hold and run your sets, rather than press. big whoop, be glad you got in.

 

Thanks.

Yates guys haircuts are absolutely ridiculous.

Anyone that doesnt like NBA ball or watching "Le-ballhog", watch a high school 4A and under basketball game. The quality of play is VERY apparant, VERY decided toward NBA ball. Even the referees are more precision.

 

Then the team should leave their 1st stringers out there the whole game if the purpose is to get conditioning, no?

I see teams running clock at the end of games in basketball. I see teams running up the middle at ends of games in football. I see teams not stealing and running aggressively on the basepathes in baseball. I don't see teams pushing the pace in basketball. I don't see teams attacking down the field in football. Those that do get similarly criticized.

Yes, I think it's fair. That's what a bench warmer is - they warm the benches. Dude's not going to get a scholarship by pressing a scrub team at the end of a game. By being on a great team, they get the luxury of being able to play more than most other bench warmers. They get to go out and shoot and score and play defense.

 

57 in a row and 15 straight over 100pts. Amazing.

 

They ARE running their sets. That's why I don't have an issue with what they are doing. Their whole system revolves around pressing, offensively and defensively. They don't practice anything else. They look like they will win state again and possibly be the #1 team in the country, so it makes no sense for them to practice anything else. So no, I don't have an issue with a team's bench warmers running their sets and scoring.

 

That doesn't address my concern. What if a starter or key player get's hurt or in foul trouble? It's quite possible...two kids got hurt tonight (they were able to finish the game though). In that situation, a bench player is going to need to step up in his place. Don't they need to be properly conditioned as well? If not, then you will have fans screaming at the coach for not having his kids prepared to step in (see Mack Brown in the title game this year). Additionally, 12 of these kids will be gone next year. Is it not wise to use this year to allow your underclassmen to work on the press and their conditioning?

I also see these teams aiming to set records in all of these sports, one of the very thing this team is getting criticized for. And again, all Yates does is practice their press. It clearly works for them, so I have no issue with them not taking away time from something that is clearly dominating, to practice something for the benefit of good sportsmanship. I have no issue with them running their sets with their bench.

Their shooting, scoring and defense revolves around their press.

How many times have you seen Yates play?

 

so they dont run a half court offense? if they dont get a steal their offense is in shambles and they wont get a bucket? not buying it. they could easily drop back and play half court defense. also you talking about these hypotheticals are kind of weak. "well what if a player gets hurt" uh..it happens, it sounds like they will be just fine. as someone else mentioned, its pretty crazy they're scoring 100+ in 40 minutes of game anyways.

can i just ask....can you at least understand why people might be upset? i mean you arent totally blind and think people who find it unsportsmanlike are idiots right?

 

How many times have you seen Yates play? The majority of thier points come off turnovers, running and treys.

There are two sides to every coin. It's understandable why some would be upset. It's also quite understandable why some wouldn't. And a kid getting hurt isn't that big of a hypothetical. Neither is losing 12 players and wanting to let everyone play and get your underclassmen ready for the next season.

Now what I don't get is everyone bashing the kids for chasing records, when we rarely see that happen any other time. Again, I don't recall anyne telling my cousin to run slower when he was setting HS track records. Im sure no one told Phelps not to set records when he was in HS. Etc.

 

good old coach wise.　glad to see he is doing well. he's come far from the Revere and Lee days.

 

I imagine the first and second stringers get plenty of conditioning in the first 30 minutes of the game, no?

I thought the idea was to play the senior scrubs so they could play their last year of HS basketball?

Like who? OU had their little 60pt streak a couple of years back and got roundly criticized for it. What other schools go around trying to set records late in games?

If the goal is to help these kids get college scholarships, they might want to learn how to play in the half court as well. I imagine college coaches would want their players to be able to do more than press, no?