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[Rick Reily] Someone Stop This Man (Yates' Greg Wise)

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by ryan17wagner, Mar 10, 2010.

  1. Pistol Pete

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    It benefits those players to learn multiple playing styles. There's no telling what style they will be asked to play in College. Wise should be preparing these super athletes for success at a higher level.
     
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    Somebody should tell that to Urban Meyer.
     
  3. Icehouse

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    That does benefit the players, but it doesn't benefit the Yates Lions. There are numerous examples of coaches sticking with their system if it's working, no matter how much it impacts their players once they live. See Vince Young at UT.

    Yates is having record setting success with their style. It's not to their teams benefit to work on other types of offenses. They are scoring 100 a night with their current one!
     
  4. HI Mana

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    Let me state that I have no problem working on your offense, fast breaking and scoring; I would never expect kids to stall and pass up open looks, but keeping a full-court press on goes against every instinct of sportsmanship that I was brought up when I was being coached. Also, for pretty much every sport, I think that the 4th quarter is when you should let up. I totally understand leaving in the starters for 1/2, the 2nd stringers for a quarter, and letting the bench finish it out. I've never seen Yates play, so if they do something like this and still beat people by 100, then more power to them.

    Yet I have an extremely hard time buying the argument that if a team is winning by 80 points at halftime, that they will get any benefit practicing their press for 16 additional minutes.

    To me, that's like expecting the Varsity boys to get better by playing the JV girls; I would think that if you're able to run up such a high score, it would at best be of little use, and possibly even detrimental to your team; players get relaxed, can cheat more in certain situations, and develop bad habits against inferior competition that will cost them in the long run.

    You can easily play positional half court defense, not attempt on ball steals and be competitive, without contributing to outright humiliation of not even advancing the ball past half-court.

    Some here have focused on doing what's benefits the Yates School and the basketball team. To me, that's total bullcrap. Unless you're getting paid to win at a sport (and no high school coach should ever be in this position), the benefit should always be for developing the players first as people, secondly as athletes and winners. So yes, not pressing and extracting the very most value out of every second of game time may have some negligible harmful effect on Yates' chances of winning a championship, but ouside of sports, you're probably going to do lots of things that don't directly benefit you, like giving up your aisle seat on an airplane so a family can sit together, giving your golfing buddies extra strokes and mulligans on holes, or donking off money in a poker game late if you're up huge.

    Winning cures a whole lot of ails in sports, and if you ended up on top, few will care how you got there. But they'll all be waiting for you to trip and fall. Win or lose, people respect class.
     
  5. ryan17wagner

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    It's is not the job of coaches to develop kids as people. That is the parents job. Some coaches take on a father role like Ray Seals of Madison, but he does it cause he cares, but that is not a coaches job.

    Pressing is Yates' is game-plan. They always stick it to it and they're about to win their second straight 4A state title. More power to them.
     
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    Why do high schools have sports programs?

    If coaches aren't there to develop kids as people, they have no business being anywhere near a publicly funded high school which exists to develop children.
     
  7. ryan17wagner

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    If you're depending on coaches to develop your kids as people, then I feel sorry for your kids because you're lazy and a horrible parent.

    Quit depending on others to do your job.
     
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    Otto, still awaiting your response........
     
  9. DonnyMost

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    He never said that.
     
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    Question: Is a kick to the knee the Physical Equivalent to a kick to the spirit?

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    When one person is a bad sport . . . they cannot complain when someone else is.
     
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    My god. . . people suck

    "It takes a village to raise a child . . " - Old Saying
    "FUNK DAT . . . . I WILL TRY TO DESTROY YOUR CHILD AND IF HE DON'T MAKE IT . . IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT!!!!" - The World

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  14. Shroopy2

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    Watching a little of the past game, it was CLEARLY obvious Yates had the 100 point record in mind. Pressing the last 50 seconds, players arms raised in the air after the 100th point, roar of approval from the Yates crowd.
    http://www.khou.com/news/Yates-hits-100-again-blows-out-The-Colony-106-76-87430357.html

    Also, could kind of see that the opposing players care but its not something thats going to haunt them forever, I really dont think...Then again The Colony is a better opponent and they were playing for high stakes, so all out start to finish effort is the norm there. Maybe the bad teams getting trounced, itll sting more with them.

    Not sure all the UIL rules, maybe give the other team more mercy rule options. Leave it up to them. Instead of dinging the other team for being too good. If the losing team wants to take their whooping with pride, let them. If they want to forfeit or have a running clock, let them.
     
  15. ryan17wagner

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    Old news, buddy.
     
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    People do suck.

    Life lessons 101
     
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    All of these questions have been definitively answered in other parts of the thread. I see no reason to repeat answers because you don't like them. In fact, I had just assumed the no-hitter thing was some sort of half-assed rhetorical attempt at petulance, as it had been completely shut down once already.
     
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  18. Icehouse

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    Oh it was clear as day that they were going for the national record in that game. They scored like 8 points in the final minute or so to get it. This is completely different than what I have been advocating for most of this thread (backups not spending most of the games running other stuff), but I don't have an issue with this either as they were chasing a national record. I don't believe we tell kids in other sports not to go after records if they are attainable, right? HS kids chase records at TX Relays. High school football teams chase records for wins. HS football players chase yardage and TD records (let's not act like they don't). HS baseball players try to get no hitters. HS swimmers chase record times. I'm not mad at the Yates basketball team for chasing a scoring record.
     
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    Anyone else having trouble watching the game on FoxSportsHouston.com? :confused:
     
  20. Icehouse

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    Me....
     

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