[Rick Reily] Someone Stop This Man (Yates' Greg Wise)

Didn't know about that. If Bellaire was stealing bases and trying to hit the ball out of the yard after getting the large lead, I'd certainly be saying the same thing. Baseball is a much different animal, though. Bellaire could have just put their bats on their shoulders and if the Yates pitchers can get the ball over the plate, well, they end up walking in runs.

 

Baseball is different because there is only so much you can do. You can't ask a player to strikeout or make extra outs that negatively influence his statistics in such a statistic driven sport. All you can do is stop running the bases aggressively and put in reserves. I wouldn't expect basketball players to start intentionally missing shots either.

 

Its a clear indicator that they will win in the first qtr in most games. I just want you to realize that you would be asking them to skip like 1/3 of their season in the name of sportsmanship.

 

Why would playing man-to-man or zone defense force them to "skip 1/3 of their season"? All it does is slow the game down some. Maybe they only score 90 points instead of 110 and win by 50 instead of 70. Does that really take away from anything?

 

You and Icehouse continue to use these analogies that have nothing to do with Yates.

The point we're dealing with is *bad sportsmanship*.

You guys keep saying "what about this blowout" or "what about this record".. DID those blowouts occur WITH bad sportsmanship?



Now that you've said that the press is their entire offense...fine, I can at least give that argument some credit. I would maintain that they would be fine dropping into a halfcourt defense (because I promise, they will need to practice that for state, too).

But no one is saying it's ok to foul when you're up by 90 to get more points or to call timeouts to get more points on the board when you're up by that much. Icehouse, you've admitted these points.

Forget the press thing. Based on the other points you've admitted, isn't the guy a bad sport? Isn't he an ass?

 

Because when they do play good teams (playoffs or out of state tournaments), they need to have spent as much time as possible workng on the things that lead to their success, which in this case is a pressing defense and a running offense. Not doing that for large chunks of thier season really isn't in their best interest. I can't see how that doesn't make sense. I can't recall any other time where someone argued for a great team to only work on the stuff that makes them great in practice, and not in actual games. I hear the play halfcourt D angle, but why focus on playing halfcourt D, or putting in a stall offense, for the benefit of the OTHER team? Working on your system 24/7 has led you to great success over a 3 yr span. Stalling doesn't help Yates. Spending like 1/3 of your season working on halfcourt D doesn't help Yates. Do you not at least see the logic in that?

These kids are up big early on in most of their division games. They are just that much better. That's a big sacrifice to make in the name of sportsmanship.

 

Its a sacrafice not to win 170-35?

 

the problem is you are assuming that the coach told them to foul.
Players fouling to drive the score up does not mean the coach told them to do it OR that the coach did not punish players after the game.

 

Once the outcome of the game is clearly determined, it's considered bad sportsmanship for the winning team to keep pressing. That's just basketball etiquette 101 and there aren't any exceptions, only justifications. And yes, it really is that black and white.

 

Its a sacrifice not to spend 1/3 of your season (rough estimate) doing things that are not in your best interests in the name of good sportsmanship. Should Yates have chilled after the 1st or halftime in near 60% of their regular season games?

 

If I gotta waste 1/3 of my season doing stuff that benefits the other team more than my team, in the name of sportsmanship, then I pass. The game was clearly decided after Q1 in a lot of these games, and it's not to Yates benefit to spend their entire district schedule on stuff that doesn't benefit them.

 

so you're saying pressing against a team that clearly can't handle it gives you some sort of benefit? It's like saying I should block a 5 year olds shot every time because I can and to not do so would be a disservice to me because I wouldn't gain from the experience that comes from playing against someone so inferior to me.

 

I'm saying teams implement things in practice, and use the regular season to gel as a team and get ready for the postseason. I don't think it's in a teams best interests to spend a good portion of their regular season games on things don't benefit them. You are asking a team to spend a half or 3 quarters of a lot of their games running sets or playing D in a way that goes against what they do, all to give the other team mercy. I pass....

 

Everyone hated Barkley until he became a Rocket. (Of course now many are back to hating him.)

 

I don't recall too many upset Houstonians when Dream wanted to hit that dagger 3 in 95, when the series clinching game was already over. Early in the shotclock and everything.

He was such a poor sport. I hate him....

I know it's the pros. I'm just trying to debunk the myth of everyone hating a poor sport.

 

Lol. And I'm told I'm graspin at straws when I mention us rooting for Dream's 10th assist in an easy win to complete a triple double. I mean he was passing the ball like a hot potato to anyone as soon as it touched his fingertips. And then laughing about it once it was accomplished. What a poor sportsman that Dream was. But we loved every second of it. What bullies we are.

Again, this Yates thing was not a big deal and nobody cared about our little-team-that-could until Lee's coach started b!tchin. Now Rick Reilly wants to make them out to be Public Enemy #1. Whatever. All the hate did was further solidify the support from the community, the Trey, the Pride. Thanks, suckers.


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Third Ward High!

 

Tell me, what is the difference between manslaughter and capital murder, and why do we treat one much less harshly than the other?

 

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Really?? Didn't you say the analogies to pro sports were far fetched?

 

I said nothing about analogies.

I said straight comparisons were inappropriate. And now that I think about it for a second, I'm not sure I even said that. But analogies aren't straight comparisons. They compare elements, not things in their entirety. I've loaded the thread up with analogies, like stealing bases when up by twenty runs, etc. And my very post was a response to an analogy.

So will anybody answer the question? Or would answering it force the Yates proponents to admit something they don't want to admit?

 

But in this case manslaughter and capital murder are BOTH treated harshly correct?
In my example one is persecuted (JY) while the other is celebrated (Dream). That's the double standard that I speak of. And who cares whether it's a pro example. I mentioned a high school no-hitter during a blowout and you acted as if you couldn't see a correlation there. It's the same thing to me.
Hell I saw a story of a high schooler pitching 4 or 5 straight no-hitters. He was being hailed as the next Sandy Koufax. Should we have been calling him a showboating jerk instead?