As far as I know Michelle Bachman hasn't talked about Minnesota seceding. Anyway the Mall of Minnesota just doesn't have the same ring as the Mall of America.
Major's already answered this but just to add on. It would be economically disastrous for Texas or any state to do so. Leaving out the US invading to keep them part of the Union, printing a new currency and setting up immigration controls would be very destructive to the state's economy. For a state to seperate itelf from the US and the dollar would severely handicap business trying to busines with the remainder of the US, with the rest of the World and even internally within the state as they trade dollars to a totally new currency not backed by an established economy. Creating border controls with the rest of the US would hamper the movement of people, goods and services to keep the economy running smoothly.
So you are saying if the American Civil War were to be fought today you would be on the side of Confederate?
I can give you a long answer since I actually have discussed this with other people but I doubt that you care about that and are looking to score some rhetorical points in regard to Tibet. To give you a synopsis. I wouldn't be on the side of the Confederacy in terms of fighting for them but I wouldn't be against them in terms of preventing seccession at all costs. Since this is ultimately about Tibet I will jump to it and state that seccession isn't the issue with Tibet, greater autonomy under the PRC is (federalism).
That's just bizarre rj. If there is a mass movement among Texans backed by a unanimous resolution by the Texas Legislature to bring back slavery, you would be OK with that? What about if one state wanted to do away with trial by jury? Or if one state wanted to execute criminals by drawing and quartering in the public square? Again, just bizarre, particularly coming from someone who has a rep as a middle of the roader type. This is beyond the fringe.
Huh, since when this thread is about Tibet and China? Notice you initially said you would support secession (given that certain conditions were met, blah blah), now you retreat back to being neutral?
If Texas were to actually secede I can think of 3 immediate benefits: 1. We join OPEC- become a big time oil exporter 2. Ron Paul, Mattress Mac, Joel Osteen, Willie Nelson and Kinky Freidman all run for office. 3. Texas High School football stars have to stay in Tx and attend college because we deny their passports until after signing day.
Those are all constitutionally forbidden, and thus, without seceding, could not withstand scrutiny by the supreme court. Secession is forbidden, but once you secede, you really don't have to concern yourself with the court so much as the Department of Defense.
Your objection seems bizarre. Secession is morally neutral. All your other examples are moral questions.
I suppose they are... my moral compass is just pretty far from normal on death penalty, slavery, and trial by peers.
Yes, I meant "world" sorry. And I completely understand your sentiment, but your logic for why Texas should not secede doesn't make much sense. Texas already has its own standardized test (TAKS test), and most of the public school funding comes from state or local taxes anyway. The roads we have now aren't going to suddenly go bad. We have the knowledge of NASA in Texas, so even if it's taken away, we could theoretically make newer one. Why would there be more pollution and dirty waters? I am just asking this hypothetically but your logic doesn't make sense to me.
rocketsjudoka seems to have recently adopted a bizarro 1830's interpretation of states rights. Weird. Those questions were resolved a long time ago.
Just in case someone missed it: Perry would never dream of actually pushing for secession, and has absolutely no intentions of doing so. This whole spectacle is to help Perry attract a strong voter base among the dumbasses in the rural areas who lack entirely a practical understanding of how politics and power work, and will eat this rancid **** up for as long as some cynical demagogue **** is willing to shovel it into their greedy and impatient mouths.
Pretty damming poll for our crazy Republican governor. In Texas, 31% Say State Has Right to Secede From U.S., But 75% Opt To Stay Friday, April 17, 2009 Email a Friend Email to a Friend Advertisement Thirty-one percent (31%) of Texas voters say that their state has the right to secede from the United States and form an independent country. However, the latest Rasmussen Reports poll in the state finds that if the matter was put to a vote, it wouldn’t even be close. Three-fourths (75%) of Lone Star State voters would opt to remain in the United States. Only 18% would vote to secede, and seven percent (7%) are not sure what they'd choose. Texas Governor Rick Perry, in response to a reporter’s question about secession at a protest "tea party," said Wednesday, "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that? But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot." The comment was widely reported in the media. (Want a free daily e-mail update? Sign up now. If it's in the news, it's in our polls.) Rasmussen Reports updates also available on Twitter. The underlying views of Texans about government are generally similar to those in the rest of the nation. By a 73% to 11% margin, Texans trust the collective judgment of the American people more than the judgment of political leaders. By a 62% to 21% margin, voters in Perry’s state believe that big business and big government typically work together against the interests of consumers and investors. And, by a 63% to 24% margin, Texans view the federal government itself as a special interest group. Overall, seven percent (7%) of Texas voters have views that align with America’s Political Class or lean in that direction. Fifty-two percent (52%) of Texans hold views that can be considered populist or Mainstream. Nationally, those figures are seven percent (7%) for the Political Class and 55% for the Mainstream view. When “leaners” are included, 15% of Texans can be counted as somewhat supportive of the Political Class while 73% hold the opposite perspective. Texas voters who view the federal government as a special interest group are evenly divided as to whether or not their state has the right to secede. However, two-thirds (64%) of those who view the federal government as a special interest group would still vote to stay in the union rather than secede. Nationally, the divide between the Mainstream and the Political Class is clear on an issue like immigration. While 66% of voters nationwide say it is Very Important for the government to improve its enforcement of the borders and reduce illegal immigration, just 32% of America’s Political Class agrees. The secession question was prompted by "tea parties" nationwide on April 15 to express frustration about the high level of new federal government spending. But President Obama has maintained solid approval ratings over the past month in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll. In recent weeks, short-term expectations for the economy have improved dramatically, but longer-term expectations have moved in the opposite direction. Sixty percent (60%) of Americans now say it will take three years or longer for housing prices to recover. Confidence in the U.S. banking system is up slightly since February, though. The Rasmussen Consumer and Investor Indexes, which measure confidence on a daily basis, ended a four-day skid on Friday. In Texas, Perry finds himself in a challenging environment for reelection as he seeks an unprecedented third consecutive term as governor. Another Republican, Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, will be running against him. Hutchison is viewed favorably by 67% of voters statewide, Perry by 55%. Twenty-five percent (25%) have a Very Favorable opinion of Hutchison while only five percent (5%) of Texas voters have a Very Unfavorable opinion of her. For Perry, the numbers are 19% Very Favorable and 19% Very Unfavorable. Among Republicans, Hutchison earns positive reviews from 83%, Perry from 78%. Please sign up for the Rasmussen Reports daily e-mail update (it’s free)… let us keep you up to date with the latest public opinion news. See survey questions and toplines. Crosstabs available for Premium Members only. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...s_right_to_secede_from_u_s_but_75_opt_to_stay
I think everyone realizes this, which is exactly why Perry is being pummeled. His desperation in appealing to the base nature of people is despicable.
