RA was dealt a tough hand this year and not only are we doing well now -- we are getting better game by game.
...I'm not so sure the voters are going to blown away that Adelman dug himself out of the hole he got himself into in the first place early in the season.
larry brown is not over rated, he is a great coach who is now 70 and probably should retire. rick is a great coach and should be the coach of the rockets as long as he wants to coach here...i think they should re sign him to a 5 year extension pronto. dont compare the two...they are both great. to say anything different is just ignoring the facts.
JVG has not had the chance to coach a young team, Adelman has and has failed numerous times. That's a key difference. I don't want Larry Brown, I am just using him as an example of what Adelman lacks and why Adelman can't coach this team to success. If we swap away all the young guys like Brooks, CBUD, Hill, and such for Vets than Adelman will do better. He just doesn't teach fundamentals like Larry Brown does - that was my point. You're just taking what I say and running with it so you can have something to debate I guess. And a 25th pick turning into a top 15 pg is a credit to Morey, not Adelman. Brooks has done it mainly on talent, not change in his play. His upside is still unfulfilled in my book. The guy has talent to be one of the top offensive pg's in the league and he certainly is not that. Yao would definitely not be as good under Adelman. Just by the virtue of who Adelman selects as his assistant coaches. JVG picks Thibs as an assistant - that's kudos to him and JVG gets credit for building the right team around him.
JVG is known for two things. Being a defensive-minded coach and not particularly liking to play rookies. Whether that's fair or not, that's the stigma on him. I don't think it's fair to assume he could magically develop young guys while Adelman hasn't. Ok then, per your Larry Brown point -- who has he developed? Nobody from the Bobcats. Nobody from his brief stint on the Knicks. Nobody from the Pistons, including Darko. I guess you can claim Allen Iverson, though he doesn't exactly scream fundamental to me. I just don't know why we're nitpicking on fundamentals when Adelman has put out a winning team every year. In fact, Rick Adelman hasn't had a losing season in over a decade. Over that time span, Larry Brown has had three losing years. You're not going to convince me that Adelman can't coach this team to success when he's continued winning with it despite losing his two best players to season-long injuries multiple times. About Brooks.. so when Adelman does have a young guy and he turns out to be a good player, it's entirely the GM's credit for drafting him? Is Carrol Dawson then not entirely responsible for Yao's development? I mean you're giving JVG credit for picking assistants that worked with Yao, but are trying to pass off any Brooks credit on Darryl Morey. That's ridiculous -- you don't get it both ways. Do you honestly think that Adelman or any of his assistants have never worked with Brooks on improving his game?
Its been fun watching us climb back from a 3-10 start. Can't wait for the game tonight! Its gonna be a track meet. 125-120 Rockets.
He got that rep from refusing to play VSPAN on this board. He doesn't have that rep anywhere in the league. And he has actually stated he would return to coaching as an assistant. Why not let the dude be our defensive coach? Adelman doesn't get credit for Brooks because I think Brooks development has suffered because of adelman on both ends of the court. Just like we see with K-mart.
JVG was even worse with young PGs than Adelman was with Brooks. The Rockets seemed to have a revolving door at the PG position except for Rafer, while JVG was there. He couldn't make any of his PGs fundamentally sound. He was tight on the leash. Spanoulis, Mike Wilks, John Lucas III, and Mike James. JVG seemed to settle down with Luther Head. JVG didn't do much to develop him. He was a good 3pt shooter in college, but he didn't develop any fundmantal PG skills under JVG.
Rick not getting it in the 22 game win streak year means he'll never get it. Rockets just do not get the national attention.
Look with what he had to work with! I can't believe you are comparing Brooks to the scrubs we had at pg. He had guys who didn't even belong in the NBA playing starting pg for us. Rafer was the best we had and he got Rafer to play effective defense and be an effective floor general. Luther Head was given tons of PT and developed quite a bit under JVG. He just wasn't very good. I don't think you watched the Rockets back then or you have some sort of revisionist history being applied.
We'll agree to disagree again on Brooks. I just don't understand where you're coming from. Brooks is a heck of a lot better than where he was as a rookie. You're taking a 25th pick and bashing Rick because he hasn't turned him into Derrick Rose. There's a reason that he fell that far in the draft. And Kevin Martin! He's having a career year in multiple categories. Argh -- agree to disagree! And for the record, I'd love to have JVG has an assistant or head coach. I don't know that I'd fire Adelman for him, but I have a lot of respect for Jeff. My post weren't meant to bash JVG but more show that Adelman isn't as bad as you seem to think he is.
Pop personally worked with Richard Jefferson in the summer, drilling the fundamentals back into his game. He's having his best season in years. Agreed, Popovich is the COTY so far.
I think Brooks and Martin have not played up to potential. No, I am not saying they could be Derrick Rose, I am talking about small improvements here and there that have a bigger impact on the W/L vs. individual stats. In fact, their stats would drop a bit. It's unfortunate that Adelman wouldn't take JVG on as an assistant. Honestly, I really don't like Adelman.
Really? Like nobody could figure that one out. Why do you copy the Texans fans and do a protest. I bet a lot of people will show up!
Wow this is really a clueless observation. Martin is having a career year after playing so inconsistent last year that Sac dumped him. As for Brooks he just got MIP last year. Most improved player under Adelman's tutelage. If you won't more evidence just look at players who have come and gone. Bonzi Welles looked amazing under Adelman and after was never the same. Artest has had moments in LA but overall is nothing close to the player he was in Sac and Houston. Arixza is shooting 25% behind the arc in NO and that is misleading considering he's only made 2 in his last 26. Peja was never tha same player. Divac dropped off the map. Doug christie disappeared. ANd look at those players who are playing better now. Hill has improved immensely after he couldn't get off the bench of a crappy Knicks team. Lowry is playing his best basketball ever. Miller's career has been rejuvenated with Adelman. Martin is having a career year. Hayes has never been better. Scola is playing his best basketball as a Rocket. ANd as a team we are overacheiving no doubt. You don't have to give him any credit. We started off 3-10 and we have sofar finished up 10-3. You don't have to give him any credit. I don't care. As long as we keep winning and don't fire I am okay with that.
How is that Brooks gets most improved player under Adelman and Adelman is a poor developer? http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/aaron_brooks_named_nbas_most__2010_04_22.html JVG developed Rafer and Head so great that both players were on their way of the league, while Adelman developed ibby into a star at Sacramento and developed Jason Williams into long careers.
really? we have played trash teams and barely gotten by. i want to see us match up with a real team like miami. firstr one we have played in weeks. beat them and then maybe we are getting better.
Plus Pops has done a much much better job. If you polled everyone before the season started, only spurs fans would say the Spurs would have the best record in the league before the all star break.
I'm not sure exactly how much RA develops his players, usually the good developers of talent are the ones who can manage rotations well (because they are aware of the strengths and weaknesses of each player). However you can't argue with the strides Brooks and esp. Kevin Martin have made this this year. He's done a good job developing our perimeter players. With Big men, I'm not sure how much is CD's work so I can't really comment on them.
