if that's true, then the democrats don't even rise to the level of tokenism. where were the black tokens in the clinton admin? where was the token SoS, or NSA?
ARe you in favor of quotas? Do you believe that if the administration who really cares will have minorities hold those positions? Or do you believe in the best people for the job? Please note: that no conservatives who have trashed Boxer have actually been able to say what she has done wrong. I repeat the only thing they have brought up is that Boxer is being mean by bringing out facts about Condi's dishonesty.
i'm just saying that boxer lacked the class, graciousness, and most importantly, the grasp of the issues displayed by Condi herself, or say, Barak Osama.
Bigtexxx, this is not insulting, it is the truth. I am sure if you ask Condi and Colin privately, they themselves will tell you the same thing. The administration needs to have a couple conservative blacks in high places. This makes them seem more like the administration for everyone. The reason alot of blacks are disgusted with Condi is because she acts like a puppet for GW. Its like she does not have her own ideas and thoughts, she just agrees with everything he says. The opposite is the reason why Colin is leaving/wasnt asked back. He is not LOYAL enough. I still have respect for Colin cause at times he voiced his own opinion, not that of GW's. Did you hear Condi speaking out about what Bush wanted to do about affirmitive action? No. Colin did just a little bit though. There resumes are impressive, I am not gonna take that away from them. Like Mr.Franchiseblade said, Condi did lie. Bottom line. Ms. Boxer challenged her on that. What Boxer said is absolutely true, Condi's Loyalty to Bush affects her will to be honest. That is not up for debate. And please do not twist my words around. I did not call the administration racist. I do not think they are and that is a strong term to use. Re-read if you do not understand.
Didn't the Administration have 5 high-ranking black appointees during the first administration? That is more than token. In fact, it is more than anybody in history One old white guy (Ashcroft) is out to be replaced by a Latino. Clinton's appointees were designed to "represent the face of America." You all applauded and shouted your Hallelujiahs. Bush goes even further and he still only garners criticism. What's up with that?
Who is comparing Bush to Clinton? You guys think everything is SO and SO compared to Clinton. No one here has ever praised Clintons administration, its just been noted that HE himself was a GOOD President for the face of America. Clinton hasnt been president for 4 damn near 5 years but some of you always want to throw him in the loop. Well go one further to Bush Sr. Compare his administration..... Jeez let Clinton be for crying out loud.
I'm comparing what was said about Clinton and what is now being said about Bush. And I just told you how they did, IN FACT, praise Clinton's Administration even before it had done a thing. They praised it for it's composition.... err make that complexion. In fact Bush's appointees go much further than Clinton's did in terms of "representing America" yet Bush still gets criticized. Wanna try that again?
What Boxer did wrong is what you and I and everyone else does wrong. We tend to go straight to motive. We (myself included) need to realize that most people act with good intentions. For you to say that Condi has done some dishonest things implies that you think she did it for poor reasons. If everyone would act under the assumption that people usually act in good faith, I think a lot of this pointless bickering would cease. Instead of focusing on Rice as a Sec of State, Boxer went straight to how Condi must have had some horrible motive for selling the war in Iraq. It bothers me that this happens but I know it's human nature. However, just because it's human nature doesn't mean it's right. With regards to your first part, if republicans had never had a minority in a prominent position you know very well that you and others would be all over them for never giving a chance. Yet you're using this excuse (quotas are bad; which they are) now to defend the other side and it sounds like a double standard.
It isn't even motive. Condi knew when she said that tubes really only had one use, that they had other uses. Those uses had already been discussed by folks at the UN. She didn't make a mistake. Her motive was to skew that piece of information in order to make a case for war. I do feel that most of the time people are acting in good faith. But Condi knew differently. She knew differently when she made one claim in public about why news channels shouldn't show Osama's speeches in public, and used a different reason when talking to the executives at the networks themselves. Rice knew that the administration had mentioned nukes before, and as a threat that needed to be stopped or maybe on that one she forgot. What about when she said that nobody ever dreamed that terrorists could use planes as bombs? If she had forgotten that memo at one point I would think 9/11 would have jogged her memory. I don't call people liars when there is a possibility for honest mistake. In Condi's case there wasn't that possibility with much of what she's been dishonest about. Even if we toss out the one or two examples where she could have honestly just gotten bad info or fotten about various security briefs then she's still dishonest due to the times that she knew full well what information was out there, and intentionally portrayed it inaccurately. As far as Bush and the color of his cabinet. I will give him credit that he doesn't use color to judge. Or at least that people who will be loyal to him, and his message will get the job regardless of color. It doesn't mean that those people embody MLK's dream or anyone's dream other than Bush's or possibly their own. I only brought up quotas because the conservatives were touting the number minorities put into high positions. If that was a concern it would only be natural that they might believe in quotas etc.
Boxer didn't lack class or graciousness. She called a liar to the matt, and had the facts to back it up. That isn't classless or anything of the sort. If others want to ignore her dishonesty that is up to them, but there is no reason for anyone to attack others who choose to hold a person accountable for their words.
I think Condi and Powel would be more celebrated if it didn't look like they were following orders despite their previous convictions and background. Plus the present condition in minorities in the poverty percentile isn't something King would be proud about.
