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Ric Bucher Spreading T-Mac/KG Rumors

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by fa7999, Mar 16, 2006.

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Mac for KG

Poll closed Mar 21, 2006.
  1. Yes

    349 vote(s)
    48.9%
  2. No

    248 vote(s)
    34.8%
  3. Tossup

    116 vote(s)
    16.3%
  1. weivos

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    I voted yes. Twin Towers II. Keep Rafer and get some sharp shooters.
     
  2. weivos

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    Oh yeah...and get a new coach.
     
  3. Lance Berkman

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    The only reason T-Mac's back is acting up this season is because of the huge amount of muscle he bulked up in over the offseason. Bulking up your upper body and leaving your lower body weak is certainly not good for your back. Give him the offseason to rest, lay off the weights, get some treatment, and all of yall will see that the "old" T-Mac is back.

    New Yao + 90% T-Mac + shooters=MANY RINGS!!
     
  4. kaleidosky

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    i can't believe anyone's ready to deal TMac. I'm not.


    But from a GM point of view, this is still a fun prospect. You're set at the 4 and 5 spots for most of the game on offense and defense...rebounding, blocks, scoring, running an offense through the 4.

    Then you have Rafer at the 1. Running the offense when it isn't KG, hopefully hitting some shots and penetrating some.

    Howard/Swift backing up the big men. One of these guys would have to be moved (likely Howard moved in his expiring year...or Swift moved in the summer if there's value) because they're paid too much and/or too valuable to be behind 2 All-Stars.

    Head, Bogans (and maybe Wesley) backing up the 2/3 spots.

    So you're left needing a 2 and a 3 starting. You have 2 picks around, say, 11 and 15 at worst. Maybe you package them together and move up to the top 4 and nab Morrisson somehow? I doubt someone would make that deal though. Draft Reddick and someone?

    It's intriguing, but it would leave us thin yet again, unless we could deal Stro and/or Juwan for some 1/2/3 help, since those positions have much more need for depth after the trade.

    as someone else said, Mccants in the deal would be great--but I don't think that'll happen.

    After the analysis...doesn't seem like it'll help since it'll leave us thin and susceptible like this year. If we do nothing...we'll have Rafer, Wesley/Head, TMac/Bogans, Juwan/Stro, Yao...plus a high draft pick. Just seems like it'll keep us moving in the right direction (TMac's back assumed to be at least semi-decent, which I will be optimistic about)
     
  5. xcomputerman

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    What is it with Americans and their incessant need for instant gratification? Everybody is always impatient, everybody always wants it now, and if what's there now isn't working, time to throw it all away and find whatever else looks good at the moment. This board has been ridiculous this season...first we wanted to trade T-Mac once his back went out, then we wanted to trade Yao when T-Mac returned to the court, Yao was injured and we were winning (trade Yao for KG! Yao for KG! Remember?). Then T-Mac came back and we went 14-4. Trade Stro! He's soft! How can pinkeye keep him off the floor?? He's a bust!!! Then the trade Stro stuff died down after he came back and put up a handful of nice performances. Then T-Mac and Wesley get injured, we lose to 3 of the best teams in the league, and ...

    substitute T-Mac for Yao in the equation. It's T-Mac for KG now! Git 'er done!!!

    Mix all that in with a healthy dose of "fire Van Dummy! Why does he keep injuring his best players??? JVG hates Yao!" and you've got Clutchfans in a nutshell.
     
  6. emjohn

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    Do you know this as a fact and are refuting the reports that it's actually a bulging disc?

    I would love to believe your statement...
     
  7. Lance Berkman

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    I know it's a bulging disc. I'm just saying that the cause of it was T-Mac hitting the weights too much over the summer.
     
  8. Clutch

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    I don't know what Bucher actually said, but the funny part in all this is that Rocket fans wouldn't want Houston to do the deal if McGrady's back was fine long-term, and Minnesota wouldn't do a deal like that unless it was.
     
  9. michecon

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    The major difference is that we rid of the uncertainty that Tmac may go out at any moment. So we can actually plan going forward. Not that I'm favoring the argument one way or the other.
     
  10. m_cable

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    Healthy T-mac + Yao > Garnett + Yao

    That being said, Garnett + Yao is still good enough for multiple titles. KG plays a lot at the high post, where he can do everything that Juwan does except 1,000 times better. KG is a better passer, taller so he can see over the defense better, and a better shooter.

    And he doesn't necessarily set up on the block. KG usually sets up about 15 ft from the basket on the wing. With him out there, we can still retain spacing if Yao hangs out on the weakside block waiting for dumpoffs and offensive boards.

    And Will, when was the last time that Tracy and Yao did a good P/R. It's been a while because Tracy's been getting aggressively trapped all year long, and he hasn't had the explosion to turn the corner.

    On defense KG would compliment Yao in a big way. We'd finally have a PF that can make all the rotations, while still dominating the glass. As long as Yao continues getting all the rebounds going in his direction, KG can grab all the rest.

    AND we get a 1st round pick out of this? With Tracy's back acting up like this, this deal is too good to pass up. In fact, I can't imagine that Minny would do this deal at all. Tracy isn't exactly durable right now, and if they trade for T-mac then what. They'd still be in the same situation, with one superstar and not enough help around him.

    I actually find it hard to believe that Minny would pull the trigger on this deal, although with Mchale, you never know.
     
  11. Xerobull

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    If there is any truth to this rumor, then it has to be because Garnett wants out, which takes leverage away from Minny. Does KG have a no-trade clause? If so, he can dictate where he goes. TMac is a gamble, but he's young and marketable. I would say that it's a better shot that he comes back healthy than not.
     
  12. lalala902102001

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    You people really have a short memory, don't you?

    Remember what T-Mac did in the playoffs last year. That was probably the best individual playoffs performance that I've seen from a player since Jordan's prime. He made all his teammaters better and he shut down Dirk Nowitzki on D. If T-Mac is healthy, he is one of the very best players in the world.

    I've never been a KG fan. This guy is a tweener. He's a tall athletic player who refuses to put on weight and play in the post. Hence, skilled as he might be, he can never be a No. 1 player on a contender.

    You don't trade Tracy McGrady, period.
     
  13. xiki

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    I find this too surprising, starting with the uncertainty of TBack's physical health. Also, this would leave both teams too thin at the traded positions (thus, Howard/Davis, just to make sense)...but - until Tracy gets a clean bill of health how does Taylor sell it to The Twinkie Cities, and why would he try?

    Minnie can pretty much name a deal for The Kid, I'd think. What, Indy wouldn't go Jermaine? Bulls could offer a youngster or two and a Lotto or two and absorb the difference by being under the cap. Etc.

    At least this isn't a rumor of some superstud for a passel of superduds.
     
  14. VesceySux

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    Trading a superstar small for big? This is a no-brainer. I love T-Mac, but this trade, with the extra 1st rounder, is an upgrade, plain and simple. Not only do you shore up the PF position nicely, but package the two 1st rounders, trade up, and suddenly you've got Rudy Gay or Adam Morrison. Now your starting lineup looks like this:

    Alston
    Bogans (or FA like Bonzi Wells or Matt Harpring)
    Gay/Morrison
    KG
    Yao

    Still, this is a pipedream at best. I don't see Minny trading with a division rival.
     
  15. sammy

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    I voted no. KG is turning 30 in May and has been playing since HS himself. How many years does he have left? Scoring is already on decline without health concerns.
     
  16. sammy

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    Thinking were getting gay/morrison is a pipe dream buddy
     
  17. Yetti

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    Thank God that Clutch is here to bring some common sense to this question!
    We must first consider if Tracy McGrady is damaged goods and the possibility that the Magic may have known this fact.
    Secondly we must decide what is best for the Rockets Team and for the player T Mac. If he is untradeable but still wants to play after a summer of effective treatments and rest, he might need to have a different type of game that limits the possibility of being knocked to the floor and drives/dunks to the basket. Of course his playing time would have to be carefully monitored.
    Thirdly the Rockets owner Les Alexander will have to consider the value of his investment and the possible avenues that he might take to maximise that investment.
    Fourthly T Mac may want to retire.
     
  18. cuneo77

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    tmac will be fine next yr, i dont see minny wanting to do it cuz of his back, itd have to be two disgruntled palyers swappin i think in this scenario, we need to get a better suporting cast,i just cant see us givning up tmac,he chose us and it would be uncool to do that to him
     
  19. PumperX

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    I am totally with you on this one. I like TMac and he is our number one closer. With KG we will be in big trouble when the score is close and depends on the last shot.
     
  20. fa7999

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    We won't get gay for sure unless we win the lottery.
     

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