Ric Bucher keeps tying to sell a Lowry+Scola for Gasol trade

Pau without Kobe & Bynum = Memphis Grizzlies first round exits. Yeah, Pau can put up better numbers, but what's the point if your team isn't winning.

 

Where did you pull this out of your ass? Link?

This is more nonsensical than Ric Bucher himself...

 

I somewhat agree with that. I guess I have faith in Morey that if he does trade for Gasol, he'll have another trade to bring in some quality players as well. I would love to have Gasol on this team, but I'd be happy with just Kaman to split minutes with Dally.

 

Only a good deal if we're also getting D-Will or some other elite PG.

 

FACT: Morey pulled the trigger on a trade exclusively bringing Gasol to Houston last December.

That's not conjecture. it's not subject to ESPN analysts or talking heads supplying their opinions about what may transpire.

Morey wanted Pau Gasol on the Houston Rockets and he trade for him once already. That happened.

Mitch Kupchak on the other hand traded for Chris Paul. He's never mentioned Kyle Lowry, nor was Kyle Lowry any part of a prior trade with the Lakers.

All we know for sure, is that Kupchak wanted a star powered point guard and was willing to part with Gasol to get one and the target was Chris Paul.

So put the two parts together.

There is no reason for anyone to assume that the Lakers would have greater interest in Kyle Lowry now then they had in Chris Paul before. That wouldn't make any sense.

There is no reason for anyone to assume that if discussions have continued, somehow Morey's interest in Pau Gasol (a player he traded for once already), is somehow subdued or less than Kupchak's interest in Lowry.

Again that would make no sense.

And it isn't a stretch to put these happenings together. And even if there was a link to share with you, it would only be talking heads speculating further which really wouldn't advance or prove or sustain anything anyway. Would it?

 

He's actually taking more shots per game this year than he did in 2008-2009, or 2009-2010 seasons.

Here's more: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html

He's declining, if just barely. His PER is the lowest it's been for a full season since his sophomore campaign. It's still very good, though,

 

Nobody assumed any of that. You're the one assuming people are assuming that. in fact, many have mentioned it may be a ploy by Mitch to drive up the price of Gasol in a trade to whomever.

what knote was pointing out is that right now, we have no idea who wants whom, and for what. so stop making up stuff.

you have no idea if Morey has even engaged in conversations with the Lakers since XMas. Stop making stuff up.

you have no idea if Morey has even engaged in conversations with the Lakers since XMas. Stop making stuff up.

you have no idea if Morey has even engaged in conversations with the Lakers since XMas. Stop making stuff up.

you have no idea if Morey has even engaged in conversations with the Lakers since XMas. Stop making stuff up.

 

Pau got 49 wins with 34yr old crappy Eddie Jones, Lorenzo Wright, Shane Battier, and Bobby Jackson. After Pau got traded, Memphis won 22, 22, and 24 games the next 3 seasons.

I don't know about you, but I personally think Gasol might've made just a teeny bit of difference in their win totals. But that's just me. Who knows? Maybe Shane Battier won those extra 20+ games for them.

 

You sir, have nailed it, and well thought out.

It is not hard to connect the dots, but realize a lot of folks don't like the picture those connected dots are making.

DD

 

I'm not talking about their regular season win total as much as he couldn't lead them to even one win in the first round. Isn't advancing in the playoffs and winning the chip what winning is all about?

Point being, Gasol is still a great player, but you can't deny that he did need Kobe & Bynum to at least get out of the first round. If we're not bringing that caliber of talent back here to play with Gasol, why get him in the first place?

 

Yeah that is a real possibility. It wouldn't be the first time a team has put a lie out there.

 

THERE IS NO MARKET FOR A 31 YR OLD 17.8M/YR+ GASOL! Knowledgeable people know that his contract is pure poison!

Analysts are trying to create an interest - cause right now the LAKERS ARE SCREWED!

Hornets/Demps didnt want his contract - thats why we had to play 3rd wheel.
Orlando doesnt want his contract.
Rondo for Gasol was pure fabrication created from a Kupchek remark -
Celtics have since said NO
Derrick Rose was said to desire Gasol - he denied!

Minnesota is 'reported' to have an interest in Pau.... really? they have Love at PF and Pekovic has a higher PER than Gasol, makes less than a third the money and is 5 years younger... why would they want Gasol?!?!?

If Minnie does want Gasol - great, lets play third or 4th wheel.... Kmart/Dragic to Cleveland,
Sessions and Scola to LA,
Pau/Bud to Minnie
we take Pekovic/Beasley
....obviously a few other parts would have to be added to make salaries match.... but that would be the foundation - everybody gets what they want/need....
But I dont think Minnie wants him....

Right now the Lakers are screwed and bluffing! They know they are gonna collapse beneath the contracts they have (Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, MWP, Walton) - they cant swing a trade cause outside of Kobe and Bynum nobody wants the contracts (would you want to pay MWP or Walton?) - so they cant upgrade their glaring holes at pg and sf - theyre still a good team, but they wont win it all...

So they're hopin DM caves under the pressure from fans and gives Lowry for a 'superstar' on the decline - or hope he's able to land them a pg for KMart he can ship along with Scola...

Gasol is crap, folks! A third of the cap on a 31, 32, and then 33 yr old soft pf on the decline... DON'T BUY IT! I know you want a 'superstar' - but Pau aint it!

Final note - that Gasol PER yer salivating over... thats with the benefit of Kobe drawing doubleteams and with Bynum down low - that's not what would happen if he were a Rocket!

 

I hope the Lakers are at least paying Bucher a stipend for being their mouthpiece. The only way I see this trade going down is if there is a 2nd and possibly 3rd ancillary trade that occurs that nets us a good to great PG.

 

CDave = Lakers worker bee

 

That's what I thought too. Unless we are one Gasol away from being a contender, there's no reason for us to give up a young top tier PG with a cheap contract for someone like Gasol who is already slowly declining.

 

The reason the Wolves want Pau is very simple. He's buds with Rubio and will help nail Rubio down long term. And he's a better player than Pekovic. Get real folks!

 

That PER is pretty much identical to what he put up in Memphis - without Kobe or Bynum.

It blows my mind that people can't understand the simple fact that Gasol is basically the same exact player he was 10 years ago. He's been remarkably consistent throughout his entire time in the NBA. Some of you are letting overall team success cloud your view of individuals. It's amazing to me that some folks accuse Gasol of quitting on his team in Memphis, then suddenly becoming the best center in the league in LA for two years, and now a softie on the decline - with virtually identical numbers in all three "eras".

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html

Gasol is what he is. He's not a superstar, but he's a very good big man who is in the top 15 to 20 players in the league. His game is largely dependent on fundamental skill and length, meaning that he's not a likely candidate for an early decline and should have another 2 to 3 years of peak production. He has no injury history, either.

If you want to argue that Gasol isn't a superstar and isn't worth his contract, that's one thing. I disagree that that's a reason not to trade for him, but I can at least understand where you're coming from. But to say that he's "on the decline" or benefits from "Kobe and Bynum" is ridiculous for a healthy player that's essentially at the same level of productivity that he's been at for his entire career.

 

Really? More teams have good b/u 1s than have good starting 5s.

 

LOL, simplistic, yet I feel the same way. And I love Lowry and Scola, but right now this team has hit it's ceiling and we just have to upgrade talent across the board.