Lets hypothesize that eventually, NY gets CP3, Melo and Amare together. First of all these three are not nearly as good as Lebron/Wade/Bosh, and will cost them as much or more. They will have the same supporting cast problems that Miami has. End result = Miami will be better for the foreseeable future. Perhaps even Boston will be. I suppose if I were a NY fan, being beaten in the 2nd round or East finals year after year beats not making the playoffs. But they will be mortgaging their future to it. Then in just a few short years when any one of those 3, probably Amare, goes down or doesnt age well, they will head back towards the basement and have to go through all this over again.
Until you actually give some specifics to back up your claims (like you refused to do when confronted by an actual cap guru in aelliot) I think it is beyond safe to ignore anything you say. You just repeat what other people say without actually knowing why. ftr...I dont think he is coming here nor do I want carmelo anthony....but your reasons are a bunch of crap(which wouldnt be so bad but you insist on running around talking crap to others who wish to discuss the possibilities and when confronted, claim laziness) Just stop now.
I'm not all that enamored with Iggy, as I don't see him as a game changing perimeter player. I haven't seen him consistently put his team on his back and carry them for extended stretches of a season or post season, and that, imo, is what we are in the market for. I would not be OPPOSED to getting him for a nickel and a song, but definitely wouldn't give up the house for him. As for Anthony, I believe its crucial to pair him with a strong, hard-nosed guard. He and Martin would pair well together on the court offensively, but I'd question their collective defensive tenacity (paired with AB). If there were a way to acquire Melo along with Chauncey, it'd be the perfect situation, as Billups' game and resume demands respect. His defense is still somewhat respectable, as well. That said, I don't see Billups doing anything other than retiring as a Nugget, so it's probably a moot point. Other point guards that could command respect via leadership and/or pedigree, though they have their own individual flaws for sure include: Nash (bigger sieve than AB, though) Parker (not sure Spurs want to give us what would be the final piece, though he is on the block) Arenas (radioactive!!!) Not overly promising. Heck, the best option...reasonably speaking in our situation...may be Lowry. He doesn't have the pedigree but has the tough game, penetration, defense, etc to complement Melo and Martin. Centering a package featuring Brooks, Patterson, etc to Denver may be the best we could do (of course I'd want Lawson as insurance, as well.)
Its a double edged sword. Do you take the gamble on one year and hope to convince him with your play to stay? If you do, how much do you give up and does that affect how competitive you are.
You do NOT take that gamble, we are already on a 1 year gamble with Yao. Adding another risky player like that, no thanks ! DD
I think chances are great that Cuban makes a run at him with Butler/Chandler, even as a rental. Cuban would take the risk that he could convince him to stay. It's not a huge risk when you're trading out two free agents and aren't winning the title if you stand pat. Denver might actually be okay with getting a low level star at the 3 and a reasonable 7-footer to mix into their frontcourt rotation. Dirk (outside) + Melo (inside) would be a mismatch-making pair that could seriously cause trouble for teams.
Without knowledge that he'd be here for at least 3 years, there's no way you make the deal. All Melo deals with any team would be predicated on such an assumption...unless its for pennies on the dollar for a team on the championship cusp already.
Its my personal opinion that 2 offensive only oriented superstars paired together wont be as good as everyone thinks. I don't think those two compliment each other at all, mostly because I can't think of anyone who fits alongside Dirk. Dallas is really good at spending money, but not really good at building a team. They have need a post up player forever, but they just shoot thier wad on every player that becomes available, instead of getting the right pieces together.
A piece that would work with Dirk just fine is Chris Paul. A guy that can be the Mavericks best player, but not best scorer. Best players alongside Paul are efficient shooting, scorers; Durant is the best, then Dirk, then someone like Kevin Martin, etc. Someone that doesn't NEED the ball, but can work off of it. Chris is a micromanager and he'd co-exist with Dirk beautifully.
it seems like you hold a grudge against me. did l list one approach to clearn up the space? work with teams that have cap space so knicks don't need to take back salary. please tell me it is not reasonable approach. i know exactly what i am talking, just like you know what you are talking. if you think my discussion is not REASONABLE please point out. a discussion when goes to NON-REASONABLE loses its meaning and become a laughable stock. you're a rox fan. i am a rox fan. i don't think you're superior than any fan here or those not here. now you're talking crap to me. i don't know whether you should look at the mirror or I should look at the mirror.
First off, I'll say I agree pretty much just want to add on at some places. I like Iguodala, I think he's a great fit with someone like Aaron or Kevin separately, and even better together. But he's not the "superstar" that becomes our best player and wins us games at the end. We're in a market for that, I hope. We need a best player, not necessarily best scorer, but best player. Iguodala becomes our 2nd best player, someone like Paul would be our best. It'd be the worst compilation of perimeter defense in the NBA. [/QUOTE]
Carmelo has no interest in joining the Rockets. Him opting out will happen because he wants to join the Knicks. We aren't on any big free agents radar
forgot one thing. i spent tons of time to working on the cap when we discussed Bosh case. i didn't believe miami could land 3 due to the cap issue. i had #s to support my discussion. by the end, they made. i was totally wrong. i learnt from the lesson so i don't want to repeat the mistakes.
Denver doesn't suck, so why does Carmelo want out? Glamor. Houston has a lot of things, but glamor isn't one of them.
Trade Bait. I think even though folx know he wants to goto NY But I think Morey could make some nice overly complicated trades with like 4 or 5 teams moving peices to get him to NY I think he, Melo, would be better at that than KMart Rocket River
Why don't we take the Knicks cap figures and play around a bit. This year, the Knicks have roughly $54M in salary. Next year, if nothing changes, they'll have $46M in commitments, $38M if they cut everyone save Galinari and Randolph, $31M if they go nuts and wipe out everyone possible. This year's cap landed at $58M, and you would think that it would be $60M next year, but bear in mind that we've got a lockout coming. Scenario 1: If they signed Anthony outright, it will be under the new rules and he may not be eligible for as much of a raise. Let's help the Knicks and pretend that he'd sign for a LeBron/Wade 2011 paycheck of $15.6M and he's allowed 5% raises. The Knicks could sign him to that deal without accounting trickery and keep most of their cheaper guys. Their 2012 commitment then goes to $45M...$55M if they extend qualifying offers to Gallinari and Randolph. Could they still sign Chris Paul? Only if he took a massive paycut, they lost Gallinari/Randolph, or the cap took a huge leap up to the $70M range. The last two possibilities are somewhat conceivable. Scenario 2: The Knicks trade Curry, Randolph, and Gallinari for Carmelo this season and Carmelo extends his current deal. Now the Knicks' ironclad commitments in 2011-12 go to $51.5M ($62M if they keep the cheaper options). For the summer of Paul's free agency, the ironclad commitments would be $56M, assuming they don't add longterm deals. To bring in Paul at a near-max deal ($16M or so, a paycut), they'd need to move Felton out for an expiring the February beforehand (could work). In short...yes, they can pull it off. I doubt it'll be worth it, but the numbers won't be as difficult to move around as they were for Miami this year.
i agree with you. to be able to get all three, ny has to dump everyone except amare on the roster. hoopshype doesn't have a complete salary figure for ny but you still grap a sense that ny does have alot players with either team option or qualifying offer after this coming season. it means they can do not picking up option or denouncing the right. hoopshype shows only ronny turiaf has a player option. i guess ny has to trade him if wants to have big 3.
It seems to me that it would be in Denver's best interest to trade with Houston because we hold picks of great value if NY does not do well (get Carmelo). They could get a trade exemption, expirings, youngs and picks for Carmelo now or at the deadline. Not bad for someone who would be gone for nothing later. Presuming that CA would be resigned to an acceptable length new contract.
