pick up rg3 (at the right price) but still draft a QB early. RG3 starts if healthy, if he can't cut it, we got a rookie waiting in the wings.
Exactly. At this point, the most successful strategy is probably in the numbers game. Find quality through quantity. Griffin would be brought in in hopes of winning the job, not promised anything. At this point, I can't see any team promising him anything. Sign him to a short term deal and tell him to prove himself. It's best for both parties. I've said this before - in my opinion, the best course of action is to sign Griffin for two years, draft a quarterback in the first or trade back up into early second if it's Hackenberg, and let them both compete with Savage to start. This gives you three guys with potential to be at least an average starter in the league, if not more. It also gives you the opportunity to sit the rookie while you figure out if Griffin or Savage have it. If they do, trade the rookie in a couple years. The only downside is veteran leadership...
agree with this 100%... there are no negatives i can think of by bringing RGIII assuming you let him know he is there to compete for the job and prove he can regain his old form. i said it before but his skills are undeniable and you're just taking a calculated risk that a change of scenery away from the traditional dumpster fire that is Washington can do him a lot of good.
Even if he did get reinstatement he's under contract with the Browns for a year and a restricted free agent after that. But if he was available I'd bring him to camp. Wouldn't have to pay him a lot and his talent is worth it.
I know you're joking, but you wanna talk about taking a terrible offense and adding some firepower! Not that WR is a problem for us. Just need to figure out what we're doing at RB.
Not only that, but to me, one of the biggest things making RG3 to the Texans a plus is this... Bill O'Brien is one of the few coaches that would be adept at making our offense fit him. Say what you want about the Texans offense under O'Brien, but if you're going to spin it in a negative light, you're ignoring the incosisitency and quality that we've had at the quarterback position. What he's done, record and production-wise, with the lack of talent and sheer numbers, at the quarterback position the last two years is nothing short of amazing. He's had, what, eight quarterbacks in two years? And all of them have been average to mediocre, to put it nicely. All of them have put up career numbers while here. We've gone 18-14. There's not many coaches in the league that could do that. Now, throw in a few comments we've heard. Fitzpatrick said he learned more under O'Brien in one year than in the rest of his career. And that's coming from a guy that went to Harvard, and has been around the league. I don't take that comment lightly. Nate Washington - another guy who's been around - said O'Brien is the only coach he knows that would tailor everything to a player's skill set. Basically, when a new player stepped in due to injury, he didn't try and fit a square peg in a round hole. He fit square to square. Round to round. By and large, it seems like O'Brien, for the most part, was successful. Sure, it led to some weird things, such as him trying to revive the wildcat, but look at what we've done. Based off of these two comments, coupled with what he did at Penn State, which wasn't an easy feat in itself, I think O'Brien has one of the best shots at revitalizing RG3, if not the best. Say what you will about his "prototypical quarterback" and Griffin not fitting that. I think O'Brien has proven that he'll work with what he's got. Hell, I could see O'Brien signing him and even if he didn't win the starting job, using him out of the wildcat ten plays a game.
While I personally like RGIII and I feel that he got a raw deal from Gruden and the Redskins, I am against BoB bringing him in. RGIII's major shortcoming is his inability to read defenses which disqualifies him from coming here. The type of offense BoB is working toward is much like New England's which requires a pro style offensive QB to make quick read + react decisions and accurate throws. The offense is designed to exploit weaknesses the coaching staff finds in the opposing defenses. As such, it requires a QB who possesses a particular set of skills. That's not RGIII. Coming from Baylor's simplistic spread offense, RGIII is/was ill-equipped in the former, is not particularly accurate with his throws and too dependent on making plays with his legs. That's what doomed him at Washington - his inability to run a pro style offense because he struggles to operate from the pocket. While he was initially dynamite when using his legs, at this level all that that will eventually do is get your QB injured (which is what happened to RGIII). Now were he to prove that he's learned from his mistakes and is now capable of running a pro style offense, his ability to scramble would add that extra dimension that would be a difference maker in this offense. But, from what I've seen, that hasn't happened yet.
You make good points, but after seeing what Hoyer did in the playoffs I don't think anyone should be picky about what qb's we bring in here this offseason.
That's the biggest point of this offseason. You already have fans that are frustrated beyond measure because the season ended just as it started with Hoyer and this front office, owner and coach let it happen after already seeing it in the beginning.
I see it the opposite way. Not being picky enough got us to that performance. We've got to be picky to get past that
The question is, how much is he gonna cost. RGIII isn't going to be the long term solution here in Houston for reasons Hillboy pointed out. Neither was Hoyer, but he isn't making a lot of money and more importantly, it's easy to drop him completely with no further financial commitment. Could we get RGIII for the same deal? Or would it be a deal where the contract might hamstring us financially if we do find a franchise QB elsewhere? It's one thing to say he'd be better than what we have. But how much do you want to invest in a QB who isn't in your long term future? Part of the reason we got Fitz/Hoyer/Mallett was because you didn't have to invest in them for longer than one season. Would the same be true of RGIII?
Yes, it has been the defense...but... The offense has been ranked 19th and 17th the last two years. Not good, but not terrible. Keep in mind we've also not had Arian Foster for the majority of the time. Given the circumstances, the offense has fared relatively well with what we've had under center.
This past season if Hoyer starts all 16 games we go 6-10 at best so with us starting 4 different qbs that actually helped us. Seeing in that way you bring any qb in that's better than anything we currently have.
Word up here in Dallas is that RGIII wants to be a Cowboy so that's all folks. I have a hard time visualizing him running Jason Garrett's offense which, while different from BoB's still places a heavy premium on the QB operating from the pocket. And that's the one place where RGIII struggles the most. He's too slow picking up reads on the defense or misreads the defense entirely thereby causing him to hold on to the ball too long. He then either (a) makes the wrong throw or (b) takes off running even when there's a receiver that's open. I don't know if it's lack of preparation or lack of film study but he appears to be moving in slow motion when asked to run a standard NFL pro style offense. Any team that signs him will most certainly have to modify (or restrict) their offense to match his particular skill set. Whether or not that results in wins is anybody's guess. For now, he is closer to being Kordell Stewart than Andrew Luck.
Hell have a better chance to start with Texans (Dallas still has Romo) and unless he goes down again (which highly likely hell be the back up Word here in Houston is he wants to be the Texans QB (According to a tweet out there earlier)
Word is, he's not one for serious work in the film room. But, with that, hillboy, these guys would change their offense if they had to. I know O'Brien, particularly has showed that ability. Not so sure about Garrett. O'Brien is not Kubiak in that sense. So, by that logic, it essentially doesn't matter what's been run typically. Not only that, but if he goes to Dallas, he's committing to sit for a few years. If he goes to Houston, he's competing to start. I don't buy it.
The question is if Houston has interest in him. There's no question he'd pick Houston over Dallas, that pretty much goes without saying.
I could see a scenario where he'd pick Dallas, but you're right. If Houston has interest in him, I would think that we would be very enticing.
