Did you see me say that? Gimpy Favre > Suckchez Injury or not, Favre did not play well last year, part of that is because NYJ was just not nearly the fit for him that Minnesota is, that much is obvious.
As close as it was, I'd say not. And, by the way, even though Cat hasn't paid up, you're being quite the douche about this (I guess we already knew that based on your antics following the UT/Bama game). I'd tone it down a bit.
Yes because Sidney Rice and Percy Harvin are obvious upgrades over Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter. Favre was amazing in the games I watched this year. Rice had 46 career receptions coming into this season. He had 83 this year.
Rice and Harvin were top notch college WRs and were high draft picks. I think Tav. Jackson throwing them the ball might have had something to do with their lack of production and the upgrade of Favre has helped their production immensely, but its not like they aren't talented guys with high expectations.
Harvin wasn't considered a top WR, but more as an amazing KR who might develop into more of a receiver. Both had the weapons to succeed, and both did extremely well.
Farve had a 20-12 ratio until the 11th game or so last year so he wasn't that bad till the later part of the season.
Point taken, but I'm actually not being a douche at all towards the cat. I should be worse. Do you have any idea how much of a douch he was when I merely mentioned the fact that I thought Favre would have an outstanding season? Would you like to go back and read that thread? Would you like to count how many (rolleyes) smilies he used? How do you think we even got to the point of making this bet to begin with? Because he's a douch, that's why. The Cat has been a douch and he is a douch to everyone he disagrees with. He acts like a know it all and tells everyone else they are ESPN simpletons. And on top of that, how big of a douche is he right now for having not even paid on this bet? Can't believe you would defend this guy.
I wanted to post this after Moes psoted on Rice.. I know he has looked great this year. But how many WR's have made enormous leaps in their 3rd years in the NFL? If a guy doesn't change QB's and he makes that leap, everyone just says it was the "3rd year leap" of the WR. Just saying it's not necessarily the QB.. WR's tend to take a couple of years to learn the NFL game. Add to it that he had crappy Tarvaris throwing to him for 2 years.. and I think it's not unreasonable to suggest Rice may have had this great year given any competent QB this year
I've known The Cat for a while, and he's a good guy. He just really doesn't like to be wrong (how many of us do) and sports are what he lives and breathes and unlike most of us who don't get paid to talk about sports, he does. I've clashed with him many times and he can be quite frustrating to argue with, I used to tell him he should have been a lawyer the way he refused to back down from an argument no matter what evidence was being presented on the contrary. I'm fairly certain he's not trying to "weasel" out of the bet, he's a man of his word.
you guys got to be kidding, rice is a nice receiver, i don't watch much college anymore but actually remember games he was in at south carolina. that being said, its like charlie palilo was going through NFC qbs yesterday, if you had farve or anyone else next year, 14 teams might take farve. he still has a superb arm when healthy, in the chicago game on the last MNF he still looked like he was throwing bullets, the best ball in the NFL arguably. those two long passes he threw to rice sunday, great throws and catches in tight coverage. schaub doesn't make those throws, schaub is great and accurate but on long throws AJ has usually given him some separation.
I really don't think you get picked 22nd overall, and the 4th WR taken overall, if you aren't considered a top WR. He may have been the best return man on the board, but they drafted him to catch footballs.
save for the super trio of chad ford, stephen a smith, and "the rocket guy", I've never known a paid professional to be so wrong so frequently as is the cat. oh well, I guess he'd like to have the career of two of those three. maybe he's onto something.
Ted Ginn was drafted in the top 10 for the same reason as Harvin. They were both drafted to be the next Devin Hester. Phenomenal special teams gamechangers that would hopefully develop into NFL receivers. Even at Florida, Harvin was as much a running back as receiver.
I didn't realize you were the spokesman for this entire BBS. Congratulations. And yes, I am thinking about not paying (well, to you). Yes, I do value my word and being a good sport about things. Then again, this is an online message board, not a Las Vegas sportsbook. I'm under no requirement whatsoever to do anything. Now, in the spirit of good sportsmanship, I would like to pay the bet anyway. But, in a similar measure of good sportsmanship, I'd expect not to have personal attacks. It's one thing to attack me if you're going to go after the actual subject matter I'm posting in a given thread and my opinions on it. I know you feel that's what I've done to you in the past, and that's fine. But it's quite another (as you did three times, note the "strikes" posts) to completely sidetrack a thread with a personal vendetta that has nothing to do with the substance of what's being discussed. So, at the moment, I'm leaning to paying your "winnings" to the CF.net tip jar instead of to you, on account of the random personal attacks. I'll be a good sport if you are - the ball is basically in your court. But assuming you respond as I expect you will, I'll place you on ignore and this will fortunately be over and done with. You should probably do the same with me - it'll save you a lot of time and energy.
Right - but the other poster was suggesting that there's some kind of trend of WR's suddenly "getting it" in their 3rd years. I'd guess there's a much larger list of receivers suddenly "getting it" when they get a major QB upgrade than in their 3rd years.
