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Reverse CRT: Florida Upstages Texas In History Class Teaching About Slavery

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Jul 21, 2023.

  1. Amiga

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    It’s social study that covers more than just African American history (by the way, it still completely lacks Asian American history). A civil war and reconstruction period historian (see my prev post) said it whitewashed African American history.
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Can you give the post number. It's not white wasshing. For instance it covers slave ships. That's a brutal subject by itself.

    What is your point about Asian American history? One of the people who put it together was chairman of US Civil Rights Commission
     
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  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Whitewashing doesn't indicate erasing, but rather minimizing and trying to lessen the impact and accountability.
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    It's one factual point. It's the only thing being criticized. It won't jade any student's opinion of slavery. Secondly I was responding to someone who said whitewash. So direct that to him.

    Europeans being responsible for slavery is very well covered in the curriculum.

    Edit: sorry I misunderstood what you were saying about whitewashing
     
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  5. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Who thinks 12 Years A Slave or Amistad lessens the accountability of slavery? Would you be upset at those stories being taught in history class?

    What about teaching that George Washington freed his slaves after his death?
     
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  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    It's hard to sit through history while covering slavery. This is African American history, it's not history class, that makes a difference. If it was history class then yeah it would be an attempt to lesson accountability
    But I would have been happy to hear regardless but that's neither here nor there
     
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    I didn't read any of this thread... but just regarding the original premise, I have to ask an all too frequent question... "...why?"
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    Again, it simply isn't a significant part of slavery. Any skills learned benefitted the slave owners infinitely more than the victims of slavery.

    And again why weren't skills learned by victims mandated for any other part of the historical studies?
     
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  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    It's African American history and slavery is thoroughly covered. It's not an attempt to lessen slavery, it's an attempt to thoroughly cover it, it's a small part, and a smart student won't walk away thinking it applies to a significant amount of slaves.

    Edit: I think teaching that slaves learned skills aside from benefiting from them is just more thoroughness. Other victims in history weren't there for work, some were as in the Holocaust. Honestly i didn't understand that Jews were used as slave labor in high school, it doesnt make a difference about my sympathy but it does give me a better understanding. That slaves had trade skill actually pretty informative as most people think of only farming or specifically cotton picking, cooking and cleaning. What's wrong with teaching some slaves had trade skills?
     
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  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    When they teach about George Washington's slaves being freed, that's an attempt to lessen accountability. I'm sure if had children they wouldn't have been freed. That point is never taught
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    So it wasn't my understanding that it was exclusively An African American studies course. My understanding is that it is part of the social studies curriculum which in Florida is required to include African American studies.

    That is a difference.

    https://www.tallahassee.com/story/n...avery-kamala-harris-ron-desantis/70455510007/
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Unfortunately Harris wasn't clear about it. I won't criticize her for that. Media reports do point it out but I think a lot of people miss it
     
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    What do you think about Florida making its textbooks remove why Rosa Parks couldn’t sit where she wanted?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...remove-references-to-rosa-parkss-race-report/

    Is there smoke?
     
  14. Amiga

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    this one

    Asian American history is lacking in many states, not just Florida. Biden brought it up in ‘21 I think. DeSantis also brought it up a few months ago. So I do expect states to start adding them over the next few years.
     
  15. pgabriel

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    That's sad and an overreach in trying to avoid CRT. It's a different issue

    My position on CRT is that it's too complicated for school children, it's a college concept but the some slaves benefiting from learning skills is factual. Obviously Jim Crow Laws are factual.
     
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    There will always be stupid ignorant people. Unfortunately rural areas breed them in pretty much all countries. This is the reason a lot of civil wars are between urban and rural people including the communist revolution.
     
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    Let’s imagine it’s factual…and I won’t deny it is. You have about an hour to teach about the Atlantic Slave Trade to high school kids. You have over 300 years to cover. Its origin…the economics…its impact…and of course the, “holy ****, we should never treat people like this again ever never ever” part.

    If a slave learned a skill he/she could have benefitted from it would have been at the tail end…because before then it would be only for someone else’s benefit. And it certainly wouldn’t have applied to every slave at the tail end…only those who were actually taught a skill beyond being a farm hand. Making this little tidbit entirely anecdotal.

    So do you really make it part of the curriculum to teach that…do you really make that a focal point in the broad context of the Atlantic Slave Trade? I think you know where I come down on this, and obviously it’s just my opinion. But I’ve read massive books on the slave trade and listened to lengthy podcasts on it as well. I don’t remember it ever coming up. Because it’s entirely anecdotal. It makes me second guess the motives of people (given historical context) who insist THAT anecdote is included in state approved curriculum. It’s extremely weird to me.
     
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    Did you see my post about Amistad and 12 Years A Slave. Do you think teaching about that would be a white wasshing? Again as an African American history course it thoroughly covers slavery imo of the curriculum and that some slaves were skilled is important in in terms of a thorough history. I really don't see how a student coulcome away mistakenly thinking it applied to a significant amount, being able to use those skills in freedom
     
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    Why not?
     
  20. pgabriel

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    Again it's not regular history class, its African American history they apparently spend a lot of time on slavery. It didn't make sense now thinking they covered all that.

    Edit: covering all that in regular history class
     
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