Absolutely. But only if you're killing people for God. Otherwise, you should go to jail, according to Mr. Robertson. "In a September 1984 edition of 'The 700 Club,' Pat Robertson suggested that special church tribunals should be set up to discern if an abortion clinic bomber acted on the word of God. According to Robertson, if this tribunal determined the believer had received a message from God, the church would provide the believer with immunity from prosecution." ---Gerard Thomas Straub, writer and TV Executive, who worked for Pat Robertson as producer of "The 700 Club." We'll be hearing a lot from Robertson on Liberia in the coming weeks. He's already blasted George Bush for not supporting Liberian dictator Charles Taylor. Why? Hard to say, but Robertson's $8 million gold mining venture with Taylor may have something to do with it.
Bear in mind that I am not defending Robertson in any way but is it possible that Straub used an extreme hypothetical situation to imagine what Robertson might do/say? Here is a more complete version of the story: "Gerard Thomas Straub, writer and TV Executive, worked for Robertson as producer of the 700 Club and authored a book, entitled "Salvation For Sale" about his experience at the Christian Broadcast Network. In a speech before the San Fernando Valley Chapter of Americans United for Separation of Church and State on September 11, 1995, he said "Here is another example of the way Robertson would mix church and state, rather than keep them separate. Let's say that a Christian thinks God is directing him or her to blow up an abortion clinic or kill a doctor who performs abortions, and this Christian does in fact commit such a crime. In a September of 1984 edition of The 700 Club, Robertson suggested that special church tribunals could be called upon to discern if a believer had in fact received an authentic word from God which compelled him to break a civil law. According to Rebertson, if this church tribunal did determine the believer had in fact received an authentic message from God - how they could reach this conclusion without issuing God a suboena wasn't made clear - then, Robertson said, the church tribunal would have the civil authority to provide the believer with immunity from prosecution." Here's the link: http://www.ausfv.org/pat_rob2.html
What's the Gold mine in Liberia thing all about? It will probably be a b**** trying to find an objective source on that, so people here who know about it, could you give some more details.
LOL That's the funniest thing I've heard all day! Thanks! As for the gold-mining thing: In 1999, Freedom Gold (owned by Robertson), entered into an arrangement with Taylor to look for gold in southern Liberia. If gold is found, Taylor’s government will receive royalties from Robertson. That arrangement will collapse if Taylor is forced out. http://www.theperspective.org/patrobertson_taylor.html http://www.rense.com/general38/pat.htm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35786-2003Jul9.html
Yes, Pat is a bit over the top. But for the most part what evil has he really done? It's interesting you guys never call out extremist Muslim clerics who advocate the murder of Jews and infidels, and who support the oppression of women. Why is that?
If what I saw on Bash for Carson Daly is what God gave Pam then that's the only proof I need that God is indeed, a male.
I'm not a big fan of Robertson, but I do suspect he is the victim of a lot of false accusations. For one thing, I'd very much like to see Robertson's actual own words about killing abortion doctors (and not his political enemy's) before I believe that one. I'd also point out on Liberia, the Washington Post article also mentions that Robertson has already reconciled himself to losing out on that investment in Liberian gold. Also, the investment was meant to fund missionary work in Liberia. And, that he's fine with Taylor stepping down, he just wants it done after peace-keepers are in place to stabilize the region. His support for Taylor might be ill-founded, but I don't think it is either as zealous or as nefarious as has been suggested.
Read the whole Straub issue that I posted on the previous page. It looks like he took an idea of Robertson's and molded it into the abortion issue.
When a muslim cleric advocates the murder of Jews, it's kind of understood that he is a f'ed up person. With Robertson, he's not bad like a terrorist or anything, but the fact that millions in this country support him without doubting a thing he says, well that's pretty scary.
Because this is a thread on Pat Robertson, who has nothing to do with Islam. Hate is hate. And it's not always "over there."
The website you linked is information from Harry Schwartzbart, President of the San Fernando Valley Chapter of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Judging by the name alone, I would guess that the AUSCS is a direct opponent of the Christian Coalition that wants to imbue politics with religion. Moreover, they're quoting Gerard Thomas Straub in a speech given to this same organization. Plus, his book is entitled Salvation for Sale, which kinda indicates to me that he and Robertson are probably not the best of friends. Straub characterizes what Robertson said on the show, but doesn't quote him. He may have relayed the intent faithfully, but I simply don't trust him. That's why I said I'd want to see Robertson's own words on the subject. I'm looking for them now.
Now why do you think people support him "without doubting a thing he says?" That is a very unreasonable assumption to make. Maybe all the anti-war people are reading the Nation and listening to guys like Howard Dean without doubting a single thing they say. And what is so "scary" about it. I sure see that word used a lot against rightwingers. I fail to see what the heck you guys have to be scared about. I don't remember Republicans saying Clinton was scary.
Right wingers are scary to me because they consistently try to take away our rights with things like Patriot Act and Patriot Act II, they consistently try to force their morality on the rest of the country, and they seem to be willing to do whatever it takes to increase the rich - poor gap. Clinton wanted universal health care!
