[Reuters] Tour de France winner Landis positive in drug test, team says

its just a substance the french are not familiar with.

 

testosterone is typically used as plaster that they stick on their nuts for a couple of hours. the ratio they are testing is a very high limit. naturally people have a much lower ratio than the limit. if a rider follows the instructions and uses testosterone in the right way there is no chance he will get caught.

you have to wonder if landis accidently had the plaster on his nuts for too long?

and if you guys still say that testosterone has no impact and it doesn't make sense for the riders then you obviously have no clue. it's a standard drug for cycling. they all take much more stuff, though. just look into interviews of experts and riders who actually spoke the truth. the sad thing is that everybody knows it and nobody says or does anything. but there are different type of people. lance was never caught and he always tried to act as a anti-doping fighter. basso and ullrich say it's a conspiracy. i really like the way francisco mancebo handled this thing. he just retired and said that if they want a clean tour noboby except jean marie leblanc would start the race. and you know what? he's right. he could have handled it the way ullrich and basso do. but he chose not to do so because he's tyred of all the lies in cycling. riders who get caught are the black sheeps while every other rider did the same. the only difference is that there are riders who get caught and others who don't.

riders who get caught are either stupid or really careless, because generally the riders know how to not get caught. that's why nearly no one was tested positive and later they find out by police (fuentes, et al) that they used drugs. the fuentes-laboratory was one of maybe (experts say that) half a dozen in europe. so you know how many athletes didn't get caught. but that's just the standard stuff in europe. the laboratories in the usa are a totally different story. i mean baseball, football, basketball, track and field or boxing aren't that much cleaner sports than cycling. lebron james didn't become lebron james because he drinks water and eats cereals. the same with dwight howard, etc. but that goes too far and is a different story.

 

actually yes and no. he was tested positive but he had an excuse for it. and then there's the l'equipe thing which is at least suspicious.

other than that it's just allegations.

but because:

- every top rider dopes in cycling
- his best helpers (landis, hamilton, heras) got caught
- he once admitted taking drugs
- he dominated other dopers after starting his career really slow being a different type of rider

it's highly improbable that he didn't dope.


but if that's not enough:

how's that? david millar was a doper with epo and other stuff yet he never was tested positive. ivan basso, jan ullrich, francisco mancebo all were clients of doctor fuentes and allegedly took several doping stuff yet the never were tested positive.


it's like i said. if you are clever and follow the instructions strictly you can dope with all the stuff without getting caught. it's really simple. and the riders know how to do it.

 

Wow, Greg LeMond is on the news right now utterly dissing Armstrong, but not mentioning him by name.

What a prick.

 

Brilliant. Well done.

 

Well played.


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Germanrox your arguments against Lance are the same tired hearsay you and the other German poster have been trotting out for years.

Focus on your own dirty rider Ulrich (twice banned) instead of our 7-time champion.

 

It is also highly improbable that Lance is even alive. It makes me sick that people will always try to tear down a hero.

 

Some guy on ESPN don't know if its him just said hes never taking any performance enhancing drugs.

 

Lance basically tells LeMond to quit sucking the media's **** -- I heard the interview (with GL) and really couldn't believe he sold Landis out so fast and more or less called Armstrong a doper.

I would like to see Armstrong just kick LeMond's ass one of these days.
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"I don't want to pass judgment until we have confirmation on the 'A' sample," Armstrong said. "I'm not going to speculate; you can get Greg LeMond to go on the air and speculate. I'm not going to do that. ... I'm not going south like Greg does. I believe in the sport, I'm a fan of it and I love it.

full article

 

It's somewhat troubling that team Landis is admitting that the B sample will probably be the same, but that Landis has a "naturally high test" level. This may be true, but the test/epitest ratio is a whole different issue. Nevertheless, the human body is complex and subject to wide varations, especially if you are taking about a 1 in a million athlete. I'd like to hear the experts come out and discuss the potential for natural variations in the test/epitest ratio among elite athletes under maximum stress.

 

Since some people here are already jumping to conclusions and pointing blame before this situation is nowhere near resolved, is it time to bring up the possibility that the test samples were [intentionally] contaminated?

With the type of people over there (pathetic journalists; crooked doctors), I wouldn't doubt some sick individual messing up that particular tube of blood ('A' sample) or altering the numbers.

But before we (people here, arrogant ****s on ESPN) start talking out of our asses to stroke egos for attention, let's what for that 'B' sample to be analyzed and see what happens then.

 

All I have to say about this current situation is...if he did it, then he's an idiot, a liar, and a cheater. And, he's putting on quite a show proclaiming his innocence. Hell...if he is guilty, then he would be right at home in a prison cell next to Scott Peterson (as if we will ever forget that name and the show he put on). I'm sure they could tell each other some good, fake stories about themselves.

I would say this guy has ruined himself if true. I guess I would then take pity on him for being such an ass. I would have a hard time figuring out how he would be this STUPID to try this kind of thing now with the doping crackdown and all. Plus, your reputation is completely ruined. Good luck picking up those pieces.

Say it ain't so!

 

Apparently the test result gave an 11 to 1 ratio. Thats quite a bit more than the normal 0.5-1.5 to 1 ratio and the legal 4 to 1 ratio.

 

Its funny seeing the same people who tear down Barry Bonds defend Lance Armstrong as he is God's gift to earth.

 

Witch hunt...
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Landis calls his testosterone imbalance natural

"I will say this," Armstrong told The Associated Press in a phone interview Friday. "When Floyd was with us, there was never a problem. We never saw anything even remotely off, never had a reason to suspect anything. He left our team for a better offer. There was no suspicious behavior, none. It's that simple.

"Secondly, I can't help but be aware the lab that found this suspicious reading is the same one that was at the center of the 'L'Equipe affair."

The French newspaper, L'Equipe, said samples taken from Armstrong during the 1999 Tour de France and then frozen tested positive for the blood-booster EPO. The International Cycling Union commissioned a report that later cleared Armstrong of the doping allegations.

link

 

witch hunt you say?

sports.yahoo.com/sc/news;_ylt=Ara6mU7PQIIEHkEeoU_PNVc5nYcB?slug=ap-landis-doping&prov=ap&type=lgns

synthetic testosterone in his sample. would you like designer roids with your jack and coke?

 

sorry I'm posting this on my phone and I guess the link didn't work. just go to sports.yahoo.com and it's on the front page

 

Are you going to seriously sit here and try to convince me that synthetic testosterone can't be produced by the genitals of the world's top athletes?

Are you French perhaps German? Do you hate apple pie?

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By the way that was just a typo -- I was trying to figure out which hunt we were discussing.

 

actually I am a killer muslim destroying the heroes of america's feeble children.

landis should just blame the jews for his feminine testicles.