Retired cop guns down man for texting at Florida movie

Obviously. No one claiming anyone deserved to get shot, much less killed.

 

I'd tell my 6' 2" 275 pound grandpa to kick his ass -- if my grandfather were frail i'd intervene and walk with him to the manager. No use getting shot by some crazy guy in a theater right?

I see crash and burn ignored my post as it ruins his imagined narrative that the shooter was a helpless, frightened old man.

 

The eyewitness Cummings said that he saw some popcorn, but couldn't even tell who was throwing it.

 

Well, there is only one part of your post that was really relevant: the retired cop had also been head of security at a theme park. I mean, there's your problem right there. And it's one of the few facts we can confirm in this entire thread. None of us were there, unless someone is hiding that fact.

 

Physical Confrontation over popcorn? Isn't that a little extreme? Isn't that the whole point. Different degree of violence, but violence nonetheless. It would piss you off and you would react, and different people react differently. Follow the rules, and nobody gets hurt.

BTW, I was hoping you would say you'd confront the guy for harrassing your grandpa. Personally, I'd throw a big ass handful of popcorn right back and get ready for whatever was coming. Meet force with equal force. That's what I was taught in CHL class.

 

Sorry dude I guess I missed that post with your examples, but I'm not arguing that point. With out seeing your examples I think I would agree with you that a lot of murders probably could be prevented.

I would never advise a lone woman to walk down a dark allow because she might get rapped, killed or both. It doesn't make it right but why in the hell do you want to increase the odds of getting raped or killed by doing it?

Likewise, why increase your odds of getting shot by physically confronting a stranger by throwing popcorn in his face? Most of the people you do that to are probably just going to take a swing at you, some will just leave but there is the occasional psychopath that will pull out his gun and shoot you.

The lesson could go both ways. Reeves had not idea who Oulson was and if Oulson was a psychopath with a gun maybe he pulls it out and shoots Reeves when Reeves starts b****ing at him. But what is more likely to incite a physical altercation? Throwing popcorn or b****ing at someone. I think throwing popcorn in someones face almost guarantees some form of physical response.

Both men had multiple opportunities to avoid physical confrontation and both men ignored those opportunities. As a result one of them is dead and the other will likely live the rest of his life behind bars.

That's why I say a little consideration may have prevented this whole incident.

 

This post made no sense whatsoever.

 

And the paper is reporting "AS FACT" that Oulson through the popcorn in Reeves face. But I'm sure their making it up, right?

 

Maybe because you took it seriously?

Theme park head of security made for one of the greatest characters in the history of cinema:


That said, i will stick to the idea that a lot of the hot air on all sides in this thread (comparing moral penis lenghts) is silly given that we just don't have enough information on who was doing what when. Since everyone agrees the dude in no way deserved to get shot, from what we know, it's kind of incredible that the entire thread keeps lurching on with (I guess?) the sole intent of proving that crash is a horrible, morally bankrupt person. What a laudable goal.

 

If I missed your post I apologize but I can't I've responded to so many it's been almost impossible to see all of them.

I will tell you one thing. If I saw a so big guy who was 30 years younger than man 71 year old grandfather stand up and throw popcorn on him I'm jumping in and trying to physically restrain him at the very least. Depending on how big the guy is would determine how vicious I was in my attack. If it's a guy that is well over 6 feet tall and bigger than me I'm going to try and take his ass out, if he is no bigger than me (6' 200lbs) then I would likely just try to subdue him. Regardless I'm not just standing their and watching some guy jump my 71 year old grandfather.

 

Assault with a deadly popcorn.

 

And to think I thought I was the only one that thought this is what the thread had turned into :grin:

 

That's a bit of hyperbole to illustrate that '71 year-old grandpa' is a 6' 2" 275 pound ex-SWAT/ TRT member, retired police captain, and former head of Busch Gardens security who is likely quite capable of standing his ground and making a rational decision without resorting to killing someone in such a short time frame.

Every time we have an incident like this the hardcore gun supporters and Team CHL come out of the woodwork to try and frame the situation with a 'but' or an asterisk.

Oulson should not have been shot by old grandpa Reeves, but Oulson was acting like a jerk and could have prevented the entire incident by following the rules of the theater.

Side note: There are witnesses stating Reeves actually threw the popcorn at Oulson -- not that it matters.

 

Actually, I've been a jerk- sorry Crash- you actually do make an overall point that we should always make a point of being more considerate b/c of the crazy mofos out there. It's just the death part of it- guess it just hits home b/c I go to the theater a lot. Again, sorry.

 

I stated in an earlier post that I thought this was the nail in the coffin so to speak in putting Reeves in jail. He is not your typical 71 year old man and the Prosecution will surely drive that point home.

If you think this has anything to do with CHL to me your wrong. I'm not sure if I have ever stated my stance on CHL. This has nothing to do with that to me. I'm not even sure if CHL is even relevant in this case since the guy is a former cop and a security guard. By the way, I don't have a CHL so... I don't know why you bring that up.

And to the best of my knowledge there are 3 things that I've stated that most people seem to have a problem with.

1. Oulson was a Jerk
2. Oulson may have been able to prevent the whole incident with a little consideration.
3. I have a real hard time feeling sorry Oulson because he was a jerk

Statements 1 and 2 are strictly philosophical IMO and either you think a guy that refuses to stop disturbing people when he knows he's disturbing them is a jerk is up to you. IMO he is a jerk every time. And as far as Oulson getting killed, I don't think he deserved it, I'm not happy he was killed but at the same time I don't feel sorry for him like I would if he had just been sitting there and some one walked up and shot him out of the clear blue sky. If you feel sorry the guy thats up to you, but I choose to feel sorry for his wife and kid but I'm still having a hard time feeling sorry for him. (O still think Reeves should go down though) I just don't think those two trains of thought are mutually exclusive like some people in this thread seem to think.

I don't see how number 2 is even debatable.

 

Hey man I'm not mad at you. Your allowed to have your opinion, and I admit some of my opinions can be a bit prickly.

 

It's all good- regardless of my opinion, it ain't right to use "bullying" arguments like I did- I mean it's ironic when one does that in a thread involving a situation with bullying/bad behavior, right? We'll just chalk it up to one of those threads where we argue incessantly about our players but ultimately all support the Rockets.

 

The man shot dead may have acted like a jerk. However, texting during previews isn't the same as texting during a movie.

Both men appear to have thrown popcorn at each other, so to claim the guy shot dead is the only one at fault for throwing popcorn isn't fair or accurate.

 

No, because it made no sense.

Nobody said that. He's a dork on this thread. And so are you.