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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Nov 7, 2006.

  1. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    You need to get your eyes checked buddy! :D ;)
     
  2. SamFisher

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    Why the minimum wage is not indexed to inflation is beyond me.
     
  3. deepblue

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    Of course you will get more spending if you put more money into people's pockets. Although your are assuming a closed economy, as people spend their money on good/services from inside of the country. Which is pretty much not the case, a big portion of the consumer goods people buy are from China/outside.
     
  4. AntiSonic

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    It's pretty funny that when Republicans win, the polls are rigged or the people were duped, but when Democrats win, the people have spoken! ;)
     
  5. deepblue

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    Maybe that's because a lot of the out-sourcable jobs already have been out-sourced. Maybe all this won't matter, we will just hire illegals to work these jobs eventually.
     
  6. lpbman

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    If it were limited to, say, 3% per year... I'm in. Too much more than that and I think it could act as an accelerant in a sliding economy.
     
  7. rimrocker

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    The Dems won the only way they could... they had to have a wave large enough to swamp the voter suppression and intimidation tactics that have become part and parcel of the National Republican Party during the last few elections... not coincidentally, the ones in which Rove has been a major player. It wasn't quite big enough in TN and Dems did lose some close House races, but now it is time to drain the swamp and make sure that the next election is held on an even playing field.
     
  8. deepblue

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    Oh no doubt, how many "GOP is going to rig the voting machines to win" posts have I seen past couple weeks?
     
  9. AntiSonic

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    Come on, man. Give the people a little more credit. They didn't like how the country was being run, so they spoke up.
     
  10. lpbman

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    Consumer goods sold through American stores, advertised for on U.S. TV, radio, print, and web adds. There is plenty of profit to go around.
     
  11. thadeus

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    One of y'all should make a minimum wage thread.
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    The people have spoken, and apparently even Rumsfeld and possibly Bush have spoken since that failure of a defense secretary is finally stepping down.

    I hope that the Congress won't go after the past mistakes and misdeeds that have been done. They could, but with Rumsfeld and the Democrats in power much of it has been corrected already.

    I would rather they work on progress... Progress in Iraq, Afghanistan, health care, minimum wage, etc. If the President over steps his bounds again then definitely exercise the proper oversight and balance of power.

    The only thing right now that I see as important enough to take immediate retroaction on, would be the habeas corpus/torture measures the President has signed.

    Fix that, and let's move forward, and not backwards.
     
  13. Achilleus

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    That doesnt mean you ignore the documented attempts of voter intimidation that went on in Virginia.
     
  14. rimrocker

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    That's what I did.
     
  15. mc mark

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    So I guess really the final question that needs to be asked is will Allen give it up and concede the election? Seems conservative blogs are suggesting that he should...

    Right Wing Blog To Allen And RNC: "Let's Not Re-Do Florida in 2000"

    As we sit now, James Webb has a lead of approximately 8,000 votes over George Allen in Virginia, with votes yet to be counted. Insofar as there are outstanding absentee ballots, they should of course all be counted before Allen throws in the towel. If the final margin of victory is small enough that it triggers some sort of automatic recount, then I am all for the automatic recount. There's merit to doing a once-over and making sure that the thing was done right.

    But there's also merit to the notion of finality when it comes to the electoral process.

    Read on.

    At some point, there must ultimately be a winner and a loser - the stability of Democracy depends upon it. Which is why, when I hear that the RNC is mobilizing lawyers and publicists and whatnot to fight a protracted battle down in Virginia, I have to cringe.

    No one understands the potential consequences of losing Virginia (which will probably mean losing the Senate) more acutely than I do. But that doesn't mean that throwing a hissy over the way things turned out is either (a) going to do any good, or (b) make us look any better than the Democrats did in 2000 (How did Florida work out for them in the 2004 Presidential election, by the way?).

    Senator Allen, you ran a truly horrendous campaign for which you are largely responsible. If you lose, this will be the reason for your loss. Please accept it graciously.


    http://www.redstate.com/stories/elections/2006/lets_not_re_do_florida_in_2000
     
  16. Deckard

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    Good read, mc mark. I hope Allen takes it to heart. He should be gracious in defeat. It's pretty obvious that Allen lost. They did a state-wide recount in Virginia for the AG office about a year ago, I think, with a much closer margin... around 300 votes, not several thousand. 24 votes changed from one column to another.



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
  17. Major

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    I disagree with this - it's no different than Gore in '00. If Allen believes GOP control of the Senate and his own being in the Senate is best for the country, he has the right to see that through. He owes that to the many people who worked for him and voted for him as well. That's not to say the legal part of it should go on forever - but there is no harm going through a recount if it appears that there were enough errors or whatever to change the outcome. It's not like its esssential that we know who'll be representing Virginia tomorrow. We have plenty of time and it should be used to get it right. No need to concede right now.
     
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    I agree with both sides. It's fairly clear unless some r****d did some counting that Allen lost. And it won't kill anyone to wait for a week for a recount. Any longer would look stupid, unless said r****d is involved.

    What strikes me as odd was at 9:30, Stephanopoulos said it was all but impossible for the Dems to win the Senate based on current polling results at that time. By midnight, it appeared exactly the opposite. What, exactly happened with the first results to make such an inaccurate statement?
     
  19. rimrocker

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    Steph shot his wad in 1992 and has been going downhill ever since in an attempt to be "objective."
     
  20. mc mark

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    Would that the republicans had that mindset in 2000.
     

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