For us the rule's are: 1.At practice at 6:45 every morning. Not a second late. If you walk in late, that's 5 horses. 2.NO AEP,SAT, or any other off campus/in campus discplinary programs. That results in 20 Tigers (1 Tiger = run full court 4 x) with weighted vest (75 lbs) 20 horses w/weighted vest 3.NO F's. F's result in 2 Tigers w/Weighted Vest in less than 22 seconds. 4.No pass no play. 5.No facial hair. 6.No hats, earrings,necklaces, bracelets, or any other jewelry when at Practice,games,Study Hall, or any other school related events. 7.No wild hair styles or excessively long hair or hair coloring. 8. If your absent you have to call the school office than the coach's office and explain why you are absent. That's all I can remember for now. ------------------ Francis out top, 9 seconds on the clock, he gives a no look pass to Cuttino Mobley, 4 seconds left, Mobley passes to an open Langhi in the corner with 1 second left! Langhi at the buzzer.......YES!!! How Sweet It Is!!
One more note here... Fearing discipline or coach's wrath does not equal respect. Just because you are afraid of something the coach might do doesn't mean you respect his/her actions. And RM95 is right. If that "play 51" is real, it demonstrates a real childishness on the part of the coach and a true lack of respect for his opponet. ------------------ Mmmmmmm. Sacrelicious.
Wow, those are some tough rules. I'm fortunate in that our coach is definatley a player's coach; we joke around with each other, we're all open and honest, and when he criticizes us, we take it constructively. In spite of the fact that he's nice and respects us humans, we know if we disobey his trust there will be consequences. It works both ways, without a shadow of a doubt. By the way, we lost 66-37 today. Azim da Dream ------------------ We don't live for the destination. We live for the journey. http://www.clutchtown.com
Freak, I don't believe that coaches should have to earn any respect, but they should at least rise up to the same standards that they expect from their players. While I never had a coach say those kind of things to me (I've already given one example of how I acted when confronted with a possible disrespectful situation), my sophomore year, we had to be at practice at 5:00am. If we weren't clean-shaven, it meant 10 horses. That's fine, but what always chapped us was that the coach was never, ever, clean-shaven. Kinda pissed me off since I was the only one who grew a fairly heavy beard! ------------------ "He was under more balls than a midget hooker."-Bobby Hill visit www.swirve.com and, http://www.geocities.com/clutch34_2000 for great Rocket insight by some of your fellow BBS posters!
The Freak True but then the coach *may* not win so I doubt they would send the to PE Rocket River ------------------
My oldest daughter is on the school B-Ball team. Coach rules it with an iron fist. Rules: 1. No talking smack. Nada. Nyet. Zip. None. Talk smack and you sit a game. Second time and you are gone. 2. Wear a dress that is appropriate (not above your finger tips), and no make up for any game (home or away). No tape machines or music on the bus. Discussion of the game only. Arrive inappropriately dressed and you sit a game. Second occasion and you are gone. Bring a CD or Cassette player and you leave with it off the bus. 3. No sassing/cussing talking back to any adult. Period. 5. No swearing, or cussing when in your scholl uniform. Even in fun or a joking way. First attempt you sit a game. Second one and you are gone. This is a public school, with an obvious strong leadership. Other examples are a strict No Tolerance for: hand holding in the corridors between classes, speaking with disrespect to other students, loud and obnoxious behavior, tardiness from classes, no sports if you are less than a C student, as well as the more obvious tobacco, drugs, etc... Incidently, her coach has averaged only one (Yes, ONE) loss a year for the last six years, at this Middle School (Grade 7-8) level. PS They have one play called 51 or something that is a pretty drastic but an effective approach. When the other team's players start their mouth up, start complaining to the ref, getting on our players, start cussing or trashing, coach calls out "51!" .... All five players on the floor lay on the floor and start crying, rolling over and start pounding their fists like a baby. "Wahhhhhh. Wah wah. Wahhhhhh. I want my (mommy, daddy, bottle, blankie, etc...) ." All in unison. The girls on the bench get on all fours and start barking and yelping like little lap dogs. It blows the other team away. The coach then yells "51" again or a ref's whistle is blown and the team quickly gets up and resumes the game. They usually end up with turnover if they had possession at the time, but it sure is worth it. I have never seen it cause a game loss. I love it. The other team usually just stops and stares. But it puts an end to all that one sided bickering and complaining and trash talking real fast. ------------------ [This message has been edited by oeilpere (edited December 01, 2000).]
Tough? Yep! 1. Dresses. He makes them dress up for all games. No Jeans. No Leather,T's etc.... Some started to appear in the most provocative outfits I have ever seen. So he went back to school rules. Nothing but dresses and nothing above the fingertips. When I played sports we all had to dress up for games, home and away. Similiar rules are found in most school, college, pros.... I don't have a problem with it. 2. Play fifty one came about when the team visited some pretty tough teams that were very gross and unrelenting in the verbal department. These girls were pushed to the end. The coaching staff decided to show our team that there are more effective ways of dealing with this type of behaviour. The fifty one was invented. apparently even had to be OK'd by the school district office. The proof of the puddin' is in how it not only stops immediately the over emphasis on harassment and places the game back in focus. It is a sport afterall. Young girls who are told to be quiet and behave when the other team behaves so badly (right along with their parents and spectators) causes some very difficult hurdles. The team actually is very proud of itself, and the backlash of all this is ... these kids learn that how they react can change how someone treats you. The general reaction is first surprise, then laughter, then .... the cussin' and berating stops, and forty kids get to learn and play a team sport of basketball. The coaching staff say that in most cases, the audience stops the barage of filth, and actually applaud. I don't have a problem with it. Note: Recently a county in Florida(I pretty sure it was Florida) had a silient soccer week. No parents,coaches,or kids could yell at any soccer game. It looked kinda stiff to me on the TV. But it's aim was to stop parents, coaches and spectators from removing the fun from this sport in the leagues involved. Th following weeks the game got back to a regular game. Only quieter and a little more gentler for the 6-8 year olds. 3. As far as the hand holding, etc .... This school had several discipline problems like most schools accross this nation. But since instituting the school as a LEARNING center (last three years) and not a dating service depot, or tobacco hangout, or substitute parole office, they are actually able to concentrate on why they are in school. Similiar "tough" inner-city and rural programs have shown the same results ... Higher T scores, drastic cuts in discipline charges, a much pleasanter atmosphere to learn, less racial tension, fewer drop outs, etc ... I don't have a problem with it. ------------------
Jeff Wrote: " ... Fearing discipline or coach's wrath does not equal respect. Just because you are afraid of something the coach might do doesn't mean you respect his/her actions." Disagree totally with your assumption. There are rules in basketball and there are rules in hockey. There are rules in life. A child does not fear the rules, they just want to know the rules. They want them fairly meted out(no favoritism). The rules are ..... no cussin' etc..... Coach is totally absolved from the fear. He has no wrath to hand out with regard to the rules. The rules are the rules. If you break the rules you pay the consequences. His hands are tied. The decision is in the students hands. Don't want to play on a team with those rules don't play on the team. Simple. Too many times children and a fair number of adults too, play a game, join a club, sign on at a job and are told the paremeters that encompasses that activity. When they decide to step outside of those parameters they start to squeal about unfairness, blame the messenger, etc.... . Learning to own up to your OWN responsibilities is tough lesson. " ... If that "play 51" is real, Well first of all it is real. Don't quite know how to respond to that statement other than to say it is. Take it or leave it. If this were a more serious discussion I would happily provide you with the coaches name. "... it demonstrates a real childishness on the part of the coach and a true lack of respect for his opponet...." That is bull. If some complete stranger cussed at your kids while walking down the street, would you rather them go WAH, WAH, WAH which stops the action ... Or start to retaliate, by cussin' back and possibily escalating everything into a physical confrontation. Especially when the Wah Wah seems to not only stop the other's behavior, but make these cussin' teams change their entire attitude. As far as respect goes ... I really don't know if this is the only thing they can do to stop the disrespect, but it is effective. A "true lack of respect"? And a team of 11,12,13,year-olds yelling language that would make a sailor blush ... I am talking beyond trash talk here,folks ... is not a lack of respect? Sorry, TRUE lack of respect? But a passive response by the whole team in unison ... which works to stop this barage of abuse ... is? Man, you are scaring me. ------------------ [This message has been edited by oeilpere (edited December 03, 2000).]
A child does not fear the rules, they just want to know the rules. They want them fairly meted out(no favoritism). The rules are ..... no cussin' etc..... Coach is totally absolved from the fear. He has no wrath to hand out with regard to the rules. The rules are the rules. If you break the rules you pay the consequences. His hands are tied. The decision is in the students hands. Don't want to play on a team with those rules don't play on the team. Simple. Too many times children and a fair number of adults too, play a game, join a club, sign on at a job and are told the paremeters that encompasses that activity. When they decide to step outside of those parameters they start to squeal about unfairness, blame the messenger, etc.... . Learning to own up to your OWN responsibilities is tough lesson. I recognize what you are saying about rules, however, some rules are inherently unfair or unwaranted and we all have a right in a free country to disagree and even fight against them. Of course there are consequences. That is part of life. Like gravity, rules and laws has specific responses. What I am saying is that how the rules are enforced has a direct result on the way the rules are interpreted. If a child breaks a rule and the consequence, for example, is suspension from school, that is the consequence. Nowhere in the rules does it say that, in addition to the suspension, you get a berating from your coach, teacher or principal. You might expect discipline from your parents in whatever form they decide, but rules and laws must have boundries. If I break a traffic law, I can expect to get a ticket and be forced to pay it or go to jail for a set amount of time. I should not expect to be harrassed by police, beaten or thrown in jail for no reason. The problem isn't the rule, it is the baggage that comes with it that isn't written down in the rule book. Coaches have a particular problem in this department (as do some kids) because they feel that mistakes and breaking of rules give them the right to not just enforce the rules but scream at a kid in the process. That is simply out of the question. If some complete stranger cussed at your kids while walking down the street, would you rather them go WAH, WAH, WAH which stops the action ... Or start to retaliate, by cussin' back and possibily escalating everything into a physical confrontation. Especially when the Wah Wah seems to not only stop the other's behavior, but make these cussin' teams change their entire attitude. As far as respect goes ... I really don't know if this is the only thing they can do to stop the disrespect, but it is effective. I can almost guarantee that if kids went "wah wah wah" to someone hurling insults their way on the street, it wouldn't stop the offenders actions. But, to answer your questions, I would expect my children to walk away. Period. If that doesn't work, I would expect them to run away. Period. Responding to insults is, by its very nature, an insult in kind unless the kid turns around and hands the offender a flower and says, "I love you." "Wah wah wah" is intended as a way to shame an opponent into shutting up. It may be effective but it is still childish and disrespectful. A "true lack of respect"? And a team of 11,12,13,year-olds yelling language that would make a sailor blush ... I am talking beyond trash talk here,folks ... is not a lack of respect? Sorry, TRUE lack of respect? Of course it is. I never said it wasn't. But a passive response by the whole team in unison ... which works to stop this barage of abuse ... is? That isn't a passive response. A passive response would simply be the kids doing NOTHING or walking to the bench or sitting down or whatever. Using a display of ANYTHING designed to make someone else look stupid is not passive and it isn't respectful. It also is not sportsmanship. There is no excuse for insults, cursing or any other disrespectful attitude or behavior under those circumstances. I am not defending those who would seek to provoke a "play 51." . Man, you are scaring me. Really? That's a new one for me. ------------------ Mmmmmmm. Sacrelicious. [This message has been edited by Jeff (edited December 03, 2000).]
The best thing to do would be to shut up, realize you're the better person, and teach them a lesson by kicking their butts on the floor, not stooping to their level. Nothing would get me as a coach who tolerated that BS than the opponent's coach, who didn't allow any talk (and there wasn't any) telling me after the game that my team might have performed better if they just shut their mouths. BTW, I agree with all the other rules, including the nice dress on game day. I just thought the whole not holding hands thing went a little too far. ------------------ "He was under more balls than a midget hooker."-Bobby Hill visit www.swirve.com and, http://www.geocities.com/clutch34_2000 for great Rocket insight by some of your fellow BBS posters!
I also have no problem with the dress codes, no music, etc. That sounds like pretty fair stuff. Just a question, though. Can girls wear nice pants instead of dresses? It just seems a little antiquated to require dresses on girls when they maybe would prefer pants - not jeans. ------------------ Mmmmmmm. Sacrelicious.
our rules are: 1. NO music 2. Absolutely no seat moving, rearranging, etc... they told you where to sit and dont care what you think 3. No talking on the bus, "you play better with nothing in your head" says coach Holcomb 4. No missing practice 5. then obviously the no pass no play rule 6. Talking back to the coach results in hell(well it feels like it) the next day. You run the football field till the end of the period. or pushups until you drop.(about 100-200) Rockets r US your coaches seem tough. ours dont care about earrings ,facial hair, etc. as long as your passing and hitting your jump shot or running touchdowns they are happy.
Now, that wouldn't help me at all. If I couldn't talk, my head wouldn't be empty. It would be BUZZING! However, that sounds like a rule I could appreciate. If there was one thing I always hated right before a gig, it was someone jabbering at me about something. There's nothing like peace and quiet right before going into about 250 decibels! ------------------ Mmmmmmm. Sacrelicious.
Jeff wrote: " ... Nowhere in the rules does it say that, in addition to the suspension, you get a berating from your coach, teacher or principal ...." I don't know where "berating" came into the equation in this discussion. But for the record, I do not stand for any disrespect by anyone, adult included, towards my children. Jeff wrote: " ... I can almost guarantee that if kids went "wah wah wah" to someone hurling insults their way on the street, it wouldn't stop the offenders actions. But, to answer your questions, I would expect my children to walk away. Period...." By all means. My first rule with my kids is to leave an unbalanced situation where even in winning you have lost. Walk away indeed. Agree. As a secondary solution when the alternative is to either passively resist or join the foray of insults and watch it escalate I want my children to choose the former.Attempt to reduce the insults. (I passed this discussion through Elizabeth this weekend, and she said she would just as likely get her butt kicked with a "Wah-Wah" exclamation in the street. LOL She is probably right. But in a controlled setting like their basketball game, we both agree that it is not only useful and effective, but by simply ignoring abuse does not work. (Again, let me assure you this is not mild cussing and trashing). Her teammates would simply not show up to play, deciding instead not to put up with the abuse. That may not be the best life choice to make in a situation like that, but that is what had happened and would likely happen if some other tactic were not employed. The real tragedy here is that adults allowed this type of abuse to exist in that setting at all. She also pointed out that they rarely need to use the "51" play, because ADULTS finally caught on that allowing children to behave in such an unsavory manner was harmful. Mmmmmmmm, maybe 51 taught them a lesson too. Jeff wrote: " ... Coaches have a particular problem in this department (as do some kids) because they feel that mistakes and breaking of rules give them the right to not just enforce the rules but scream at a kid in the process. That is simply out of the question. Totally agree. See above. R-95 wrote: "... The best thing to do would be to shut up, realize you're the better person, and teach them a lesson by kicking their butts on the floor ..." Agreed. Logic promotes that ideal but it is not flawless. Ideally, when athletes play in a competitive match they zone out all distracting elements. But realistically that does not happen. That is an arduous task at any level. Especially with very young 11-12-13 year olds. So after philosophizing and hypothesizing, irregardless of the desired outcome ... the well-meaning coaching staff still has the problem. Not with winning or losing a basketball game. But, how can we temper the teams reactions, stay focused and remain competitive, and yet hold ourselves to a standard of not cursing, swearing and flipping them the bird when provoked? Some compromise of action has to take place. They opted for a reaction that has proven to satisfy most of those goals. ------------------ [This message has been edited by oeilpere (edited December 04, 2000).]
Jeff, You are absolutely right. ------------------ Ceo of the Walt Williams fan club. Web site coming soon atheistalliance.org
Another incident to report. This time it happened at a tournament Saturday. Another kid on the same team, came up to the coach and this time he said some obscene words to the coach and the coach said what did you say? And the kid says "nothin coach, forget it" then a few seconds later he says the obscene words again and coach tells him to go sit in the stands. Then the next day, he's back on the team. Same thing happened with the last kid. I think that really sucks. They can yell whatever the hell they want to the coach and the coach keeps them on his team? If it were a B-Team player instead of an A-Team player, the guy would've gotten thrown off the team in no time. ------------------ Francis out top, 9 seconds on the clock, he gives a no look pass to Cuttino Mobley, 4 seconds left, Mobley passes to an open Langhi in the corner with 1 second left! Langhi at the buzzer.......YES!!! How Sweet It Is!!
thats probably true rock's r us. one guy on our team(hes the best player at our school) did not even have to tryout. he is 6'4 and can run a 40 in about 4 seconds. he can shoot the lights out but still has all the skills of a good big man. but i still dont think it is fair he got to stand and shoot free throws while everyone else was trying out.
Well, at least you guys are learning early. The only difference between what is happening at your school and anywhere else is that in college, they would get women, cars, spending money and wouldn't have to go to class. In the NBA, they'd get paid millions and be revered by fans everywhere. So, when you think about it, for what the sh!thead players did on your team, their punishment (or lack of) seems pretty fair. Actually, consider it a life lesson. ------------------ Mmmmmmm. Sacrelicious.
