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Reserve Generals (Israeli) Back Unilateral Withdrawal

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Feb 19, 2002.

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  1. F.D. Khan

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    Thats great...cursing at me embellishes your post and makes you seem EVEN more intelligent than you REALLY are.

    I believe Israel has a right to exist because power reigns supreme. Yet their occupation of another people is a CAUSE of violence.

    The circle of violence with Israelis Gunships and Suicide Bombers will continue and each side can say you stop first.
    Israel within its borders is fine, I just feel a Palestinian state comprised of West Bank and Gaza and some negotiation on Jerusalem would negate this intense animosity and violence.

    And Treeman:

    Just stay in line and in your place like the military taught you to, opinions are bad if they are against the norm and are from any sources that you do not deem Worthy.
     
    #61 F.D. Khan, Feb 22, 2002
  2. Princess

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    The Ottoman Empire was made up of everyone.
     
    #62 Princess, Feb 22, 2002
  3. Q8 Rocket

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    Treeman :

    it’s simple tree , it’s because the time hasn’t come to do it , how did the Intifada start ? it started when the super criminal Sharon went there and look what happened , so what do you expect to happen if they did ?


    Blame The UN ! who controls the UN ? it’s the American government isn’t it ? , every U.S administration won’t forget the veto to help Israel . try Again !



    my stated goal is to kill all the jews ? I’m not Sharon the hero of Sabra & shatilla massacre nor kahane leader , my goal is just to remove this racist state from the earth and kick those who don’t have any right to live in Palestine , sure it won’t include the jews who lived together with the Palestinians peacefully before belfor declaration .



    no baby ! Arafat is sharon’s student who is trying to prevent any resist moves , Zionism records of terror can't hide forever !


    if it’s really a desire , at least it won’t be a fact like what your maniacs do in Palestine , killing children and destroying refugee camps , running out Palestinians lifes and other acts of terror is no more a strange thing to the world .
     
    #63 Q8 Rocket, Feb 23, 2002
  4. Q8 Rocket

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    Princess :

    I think you agree with me on that , I mean I didn’t say there were no jews before 1948 but my point is creation of Israel is the disaster

    you said it in the first page of this thread , then what’s the problem ?
     
    #64 Q8 Rocket, Feb 23, 2002
  5. glynch

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    Princess, Edward Said is a frequent contributor to The Nation Magazine see TheNation.com I believe. I've subscribed to the print version of the magazine for years. It is is virtually even the smallest Houston branch public library. Said is a good source of information on this issue. Who told you he is so dangerously extreme?

    Now I'll admit Said is to the left of most US newspapers on the Palestinian Israeli issue.

    For a good selection of his recent writings. See

    http://www.edwardsaid.org/

    BTW good news for those who want peace. Sharon's popularity is falling even faster than I believe the recent post indicated.



    Israelis deserting Sharon
     
    #65 glynch, Feb 23, 2002
  6. Princess

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    glynch,

    I know Said is an extremist because I've read his books. While he has some good things to say (like in Covering Islam, he makes a statement about how American media influences how we view the world), he fails to see problems in his own arguement. He doesn't really offer any solutions. All he does really is criticize.

    And he writes a lot about this area of the world, yet he does not live there nor does he practice thier religion.

    I would recommend "From Beirut to Jerusalem" by Thomas Freidman. True stories from an American journalist who lives and has travelled the region extensively.
     
    #66 Princess, Feb 23, 2002
  7. treeman

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    Q8 Rocket:

    Oh, sure. :rolleyes: They want to blow up your rock, they just haven't gotten around to it. Ridiculous...

    What, now the Zionist conspiracy controls the UN? Good Lord, this thing sure is far-reaching... :rolleyes:

    Might I remind you, moron, that it was the British who issued the Balfour Declaration? And that it was the British who organized the UN effort to declare an Israeli state in the first place?

    Do we control Britian, too?

    Oh, so you don't want to kill them all, you just want to send them all somewhere else? Ethnic cleansing, that's all?

    Idiot. Do you actually think that it would be possible for you guys to just peacefully send them all packing? You'll have to kill them all, and unless you really do have a 25 IQ, you know it.

    BTW, no one who was there before the Balfour Declaration is still alive, so to say that you'd let everyone stay who was there then is a bit ridiculous.

    So, even Arafat is a part of the Zionist conspiracy? Wow. This is mindboggling... :rolleyes:

    This quote truly does not make any sense. It just seems like a random attempt to call the Jews babykillers...

    I repeat: moron.
     
    #67 treeman, Feb 23, 2002
  8. HayesStreet

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    I think Q8 wants to marry Sharon, and have his babies.
     
    #68 HayesStreet, Feb 23, 2002
  9. glynch

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    Princess haven't read Said's books, just numerous articles. I have read Friedman's From Beirut to Jerusalem. I liked it a lot when I read it 10? years ago. I think some events have passed that book by.

    Did you know that Friedman was essentially disciplined by the Jewish lobby and has had to toe the Sharon line more.

    From the latest I've read by Said he is pushing for a nonviolent movement to evict the Jews from the post 1967 lands and bypass Arafat who he views as too willing to give up much of the "occupied terriotories.

    His bio:

    Edward Said
    1935 -
    Edward Said was born in 1935 in Jerusalem, Palestine. In the 1947 partition of Palestine, he and his family became refugees and moved to Cairo where they lived with relatives. He went to St. George's, an American school and then later to Victoria College. He was expelled from Victoria College in 1951 and his parents sent him to Mount Hermon Preparatory School in Massachusetts (Ahluwalia and Ashcroft 1).

    His father was strict about discipline in both work and study. His hobbies as a young man were reading novels and listening to classical music (Ahluwalia and Ashcroft 1). He learned to speak several languages and to play the piano. As a young man, he attended the Juilliard School of Music and became quiet skilled at playing the piano (Ashcroft and Ahluwalia 2). He graduated form Princeton University where he received his Masters Degree and then attended Harvard University where he received his Ph.D. His dissertation was on Joseph Conrad. He then took a position in Columbia University as an Assistant Professor of Comparative Literature.

    When the Arab-Israeli war broke out in 1967, he began to review his career in Comparative Literature. He began thinking of his own identity as a Palestinian. At this time his life changed and he began to get involved with his cultural origins which he had suppressed as a child and diverted into his professional career. He became intensely involved in literary scholarship and Palestinian rights. He has been known to argue that intellectual romantics have distorted the West's view of the Middle East and Islamic world (Ahluwalia and Ashcroft 2). He also believes that the American view of Arabs is conditioned almost by a hostile media (Search Results). He was once a member of the Palestine National Council and a leader in the Palestinian cause (Search Results).

    So you can see he is a Palestinian and born there; evicted in 1947. I'll take your word on the Christian part. Seems consistent with the St. Geroge School part.

    I don't think the Christian part disqualifies him. Friedman whose book I did like is an American reporter who isn't from Palestine or Israel but has lived there while researching books. However, I don't think their bio disqualifies either from being experts in the field.
     
    #69 glynch, Feb 23, 2002
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