I am not sure if you ever played organized basketball (this is not an personal attack) but rebounding involves your team mates boxing out as well. As I stated earlier, Yao is not the Garnett/Wallace type rebounder. He is not fast enough. He is a pure positional rebounder and NEEDS his team mates to box out as well. Eddie at this time is not the box out type rebounder to complement Yao. Opposing teams PFs and SFs often crash the boards and tip away rebounds for Yao. I am not making excuses for Yao but Yao would clearly benefit of having a guy like Oakley along side him instead of Griffen. And I am sure Griffen will benefit from a guy like KG or Wallace as well.
Does organize streeball count? If so I play it almost everyday. Im not really a tall guy 5'11 but im a great rebounder. Theres only one type of rebounder, the ones that grab boards. Yao gets the ball tipped away from him because he doesnt grab it strong enough not because of eddie or what type of rebounder he is. you're clearly making excuses for yao. Yes Yao would benefit from a more agressive player, heck the whole team would because thats what they lack. A player like Najera, pollard, etc. Any team would benefit from a Garnet or a Wallace I dont see why this have to do with eddie.
Pure positional rebounder, heck everyone is a pure positional rebounder! If the ball lands in my position, im going to grab it! LOL
Positional rebounder means that they get rebounds by boxing out. INSTEAD of using their athletic/jumping ability. Ex- Oakley is a positional rebounder Keon Clark is NOT.. Eddie is the Keon Clark type... Yao is the Scott Pollard/Oakley type.. If you dont see that, please refrain yourself from responding. There is no need to discuss any further.
dont even compare Scot pollard with Yao. Scot is a great rebounder. He hustles is butt to the ball or box out. Whatever is needed for the board. I still dont get what are the type of rebounders you're talking about.
Yao is not a great rebounder by any stretch of imagination. He gets the rebounds simply because he is tall. If you can't jump quick nor high, does not have great lateral movement, you can never be a great rebounder no matter how hard you try. There are a few things that Yao can improve though: 1) Learn the flight of the ball and know where it will bounce. 2) Be agressive, bang with the opp, get after the ball even at the risk of going over the back once in a while. 3) This is even easier: Raise the arms up while position for rebound. If he keeps his arms to his side, it will take a full second to raise them. There were numerous times the ball bounce over his head and he was not ready to grab them. Last but not least, 4) Tell Steve to get the hell out on the break and don't be afraid to knock Steve on the head with the elbows a few times to remind him that the rebound is his.
great post Ragingfire, I agree with everything except the 4th one. I think if steve can get to the rebound before Yao he should grab it. Its always good to see teammates fight for boards IMO. That shows that they are really aggressive. Besides maybe steve doesn't trust Yao's rebounding skills. Oh well but that one can go both ways I guess.
I got your point. My 4th suggestion was "partly" toungue in cheek! Everyone should help rebounding at crucial times in the game but PG should not make that a habit. It's ok for Steve to get offensive rebound (as long as we have someone else gets back defending). Steve is good at that and Yao can't take those away. On the defensive end, besides the long rebound, Steve getting rebound means he'd allowed opp. guard to drive to the basket which put him close in too. More importantly, he is not out there running the break. A few easy baskets a game go a long way!
I dont think Steve really needs to change his game much. His numbers are pretty similar to Jason Kidds. Francis just needs to work on his D a little more. Steve is the last person I would criticise on this team.
This is a great post, specifically Yao just needs to be more aggressive period. His rebounding and overall offense will follow.
Yao Ming is coming to the end of his NBA Rookie season. He still needs a lot of coaching to get the hang of things in the NBA. The only way I see this happening is for the Rockets to put him in the hands of Moses Malone. ( He taught Hakeem) He needs to improve his speed, endurance,mobility, offensive/defencive positioning and general court awareness. This is a tall order and we dont have anyone good enough on our present coaching staff, so we need outside help- Moses Malone, Jabar or Walton. etc.
I love these armchair basketball "analysts" who saw Yao Ming miss a rebound... and declare Yao to be a poor rebounder. Let's take a quick look at who is a WORSE rebounder than Yao (on a 48 minute basis) this year: - Chris Webber - Erick Dampier - Brad Miller - Lorenzen Wright - Kurt Thomas, Othela Harrington - Keon Clark (!!!) - Ilgauskas - Dale Davis - Eddie Griffin - Kenyon Martin - Vlade Divac - Theo Ratliff. That's right. Yao's a better rebounder (statistically) than anyone on the Kings or Mavericks... but we're supposed to point the finger at his rebounding. There's certainly no doubt that if Yao could sky for 15-20 rebounds a game, the Rockets would be a better team. But so what? If the genie gave me one wish, it certainly wouldn't be for Yao to be a better rebounder. It'd be for a real point guard that dictated flow for a passing-oriented offense.
Yao Ming is fine. It is also safe to say that he will be fine. He is the smartest on this team and our most important player. You people should be worried about the other scrubs on this team starting from Steve Francis down to Larry Smith. I am blessed to be a Rockets fan and to have seen Hakeem do his thing for us. I am also I glad to see Yao grow up and become great right under my nose. Go Yao!!!
you cant look at it rebounds statistically like that because on a team like the Kings everyone rebounds so therefore chris, divac, and keon is not going to have high rebound numbers. Just watch the Rox games and you will see for yourself Yao's not that great of a rebounder. You never see Webber really juggle rebounds or gets tip out of his hands or bump a little and the ball comes loose.
Hows the crack? LOL you a rox fan? Only words that come out of your mouth is yao this and yao that. Steve a scrub? you're definitely ignorant. GO YAO!!
On the year, Yao is doing fine rebounding-wise. However, over the last few games, he's been Mo-Tayesque on the boards. 7-5 Yao Ming L 4/02 33min 6 L 3/31 31min 2 W 3/29 15min 2 L 3/27 16min 3 L 3/26 30min 10 W 3/24 20min 3 = 145min --> 26reb --> 8.1reb/45min Compared to Cato, who plays in the same system, but is shorter by 6 inches... 6-11 Kelvin Cato L 4/02 7min 3 L 3/31 14min 3 W 3/29 33min 6 L 3/27 24min 8 L 3/26 18min 4 W 3/24 27min 12 = 123min --> 36reb --> 13.2reb/45min The numbers tell. That also explains why Coach Mean likes Cato in there so much. But if Yao will get fight for those extra 2-3 rebounds, those would translate into easy buckets --> 4 points / game, boosting his average to well over those of his ROY competitors, and helping the Rockets their last several games as well. It's time for Yao to looking down real deep within himself and decide, has he got the heart of a champion?
GO YAO! GO YAO! Go Yao! Get more rebound! Get more shot! Get more block! Get more assist! Be more aggressive! then...you will be a perfect player.
Saying hes a rookie isn't enough, he'll get into better shape and develop better timing as he matures. Yao simply doesn't get off the ground quick enough, he is quite slow to react... which is why he loses a lot of jumpballs (which in my mind worthless most of the time anyways) once he gets this attribute, he'll easily be grabbing 3 more boards a game- putting him up to 11. THEN, when he starts learning to be aggresive-- a la Charles Oakley posiiton rebounding as mentioned before- he'll be up to 14 boards a game... Next year, look for at least 10 boards a game. I can guarantee that. STuart
The comment of YM after Bucks game "I have to take responsibility. I did so bad at getting defensive rebounds in the last two games. My biggest regret is that I cannot help my team to get a win." http://sports.sina.com.cn/k/2003-04-04/0307418281.shtml Did any player (except YM) blame themselves after these two ugly loses?
