Republicans trying to burn the Constitution and disgusted by immigrants

hence major's quote about it going over your head.

 

You didn't - the person that I was responding to did. Again, this is why I said this whole discussion went over your head. You tried to make a point that had nothing to do with the topic I was addressing.

 

The 13th Amendment for starters.

 

especially the brown ones

 

i'm just going to leave it to you...his next post will probably mention us being the same person.

 

Let me tell you a story.

A western US state had an economic boom and many mostly nonwhite immigrants came to work primarily in heavy labor jobs. These immigrants paid taxes but received little benefits back. After while the primarily white residents of the states complained that the immigrants were depressing wages, causing crime, and were over running the culture of the state. People complained about English no longer being spoken in many parts of the state. About dirty immigrants taking jobs from Americans, even though most business leaders and even politicians acknowledged that the immigrants were needed for the economic development of the state After awhile laws were passed by state to keep those immigrants out.

Sound familiar?

Spoiler

This isn't Arizona in the 2000's. This is California in the 1880's and the immigrants aren't Mexicans but are Chinese.

What we are seeing now has all happened before and our country has survived and thrived. Illegal immigration isn't something new to this country but has been here since the beginning. Migrant workers have always crossed the southern border to work in the fields. Corruption and mismanagement was present in Ellis Island. Up until Civil Rights Asians got around the Exclusion Acts. If we want to talk about illegal immigration lets talk about whether the settlers on the Mayflower asked the Narrangansetts if they settle at Plymouth.

 

I think he was showing how ridiculous it was for Oddson to say it was "common sense" that anchor babies aren't legal and shouldn't be allowed even though multiple countries for 150+ years have included the law in their constitutions...I guess all "those guys" that setup those governments didn't have common sense....

 

Do you really want to go there? I am going to keep this in mind if you ever bring up Constitution Originalism or Judicial Activism.

 

How does citing and responding to your contribution have nothing to do with the topic? He referenced the 14th Amendment while you reference some archaic 19th century legal case based on 17th century English law...

 

I don't pretend to believe that the Constitution is infallible. The amendment process is legislative not judicial...

 

Did I miss something? Since when did having a baby in the US convey citizenship to the parents?

 

Why is changing the rule that if you are born on American soil you are automatically a US citizen such a bad idea?

 

Let's simplify this for you:

OddsOn: any rational reading of the 14th Amendment would say they didn't intend for birthright citizenship

Me:

1. Common law in the 1860's was birthright citizenship
2. Congress decided to specifically define and clarify citizenship requirements in the 14th Amendment in the 1860's
3. They specifically worded the amendment to continue to allow birthright citizenship
4. Therefore, Congress certainly intended to leave birthright citizenship as the law of the land; if they hadn't, they would have specifically changed it. OddsOn's position does not fit the facts in front of us.

You: Some random, irrelevant reference to how what was true in the 1860's may or may not be relevant now, which had nothing to do with OddsOn's point or my response to it.

 

I change my mind. I really do enjoy giddyup's posts - it's wonderful comedy.

 

Why, yes...yes it does...

 

Did you or did you not cite a court case from 1866 which promoted the idea that birth and allegiance "go together" and based it all on a 17th century English common law? How does my comment about not being stuck in an 1860 mindset have nothing to do with what you wrote?

 

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Wow, first the whole Arizona law, next push to end the civil rights act, followed by the the anti-Muslim efforts with the Mosque in NYC, then the NAACP flap and all the tea-party stuff, and now this.

Seems to me the core of the Republican party is fast becoming the anti-minority party.

What's next? Repeal freedom of religion?

 

To begin with that would mean that someone like me would not have been a US citizen.