Republicans trying to burn the Constitution and disgusted by immigrants

You actually just supported what I wrote. thanks for confirming.

 

This is what you said and it was completely ridiculous. You didn't post a link to any source because it was completely ridiculous.

I know over a dozen illegal Europeans here in the states. They work in places like bars or clubs, or other places that pay cash. They bilk the system and have been here for years. No one is protesting or approaching them asking for proof of citizenship. The pass right through...fly around the country....even find ways to fly home and back. They just overstayed their original visas.

As a matter of fact, here's a stat for you - the biggest source of illegal immigration is from people overstaying their visas - that is, people who entered in legally to the country.

Illegal border crossing account for less than 5% of the illegals in this country. And the number of illegal immigrants has declined by 15% the past few years.

The whole "problem" of illegal immigration is a lie. It's all a distraction by the right to win elections.

 

That's me, the white working class gay hating trickle down supply economics right wing Christian GOP guy. You know me well.

Since when is libel a serviceable substitute for an argument? That's pretty tired.

 

The wiki article that you posted stated that 45% of illegal immigrants are Visa overstayers. Unless the other 55% are all sneaking across the border with Mexico, Visa overstayers probably are the biggest contribution to illegal immigration.

 

Aside from coming across a border how would someone enter the country illegally? Mexicans make up 57% of the illegal immigrant population. Are you really going to claim that illegal immigrants from Vietnam and Uganda sneak into the US at the same rates as those from Mexico? Common sense dictates otherwise.

 

he's saying he doesn't believe they're 100% of the remaining 55% once you remove the 45% that are here overstaying their visas. not once did he claim that illegal immigrants from vietnam, uganda or any other country sneak into the US at the same rates as those from mexico.

 

Exactly right.

 

13 years later and it finally happens.

 

So what? The original claim was that 5% of illegals cross the border illegally and that the biggest source of illegal immigration is people overstaying their visas. Both of those are false.

We allow Mexicans simply by virtue of their proximity to destroy our immigration process. Why is that? Where is the flood of Sudanese and Afghans and Iraqis and Haitians and people from countries torn by war and genocide and extreme poverty? Why do we allow Mexicans to make up more immigrants than EVERY other country in the world combined? Just because they share a border that we won't do anything about? That's stupid. If there's such a thing as people who "deserve" to come to the United States for opportunities, it's not 57% Mexican.

Immigration is broken, our borders are broken, people are abusing our system, and there are real consequences to those problems. The quicker we do something about it the better.

 

"In your imagination..."

For the Cabal,

mc mark

 

Don’t put words in my mouth giddy. I never said immigration reform wasn’t needed. But changing the 14th Amendment for short sighted political gain is not part of the solution.

 

don't interrupt giddy's martyrdom! he's fighting the good fight against the liberals here on the ever so influential clutchfans bbs.

 

Here are your words:

 

I'm trying to have a discussion but some of you resort to insults and ridicule constantly.

 

You have yet to prove that the second claim is false. The numbers say that 45% of illegal immigrants are people who have overstayed their visas. Show me numbers that indicate that more than 45% are from people illegally crossing the border. There are other options besides those two. People could be coming here legally without Visas for short trips and just staying illegally. Securing the borders isn't going to stop this problem either.

 

Immigration reform that would actually work: Heavy fines for businesses hiring undocumented workers with actual enforcement.

Instead of all these silly workarounds and the misguided belief that we can somehow go out and round up the hundreds of thousands of workers who can just go somewhere else, hit the business owners - there are fewer of them, and they're not going anywhere.

The only reason this hasn't been implemented is because the people who are so gung-ho about keeping out people from south of the border are the same people who think capitalism is sacrosanct and above reproach.

This would actually work - if no one here is hiring, very few people will come here illegally.

 

you need to try harder then. mc mark was referring to the proposed changes to the 14th amendment, not immigration reform.

once again, having trouble following a conversation.

 

That is still overstaying your visa. When you pass through customs and they stamp your passport for a short visit, that is a tourist visa. Being an American citizen, I don't have a US example in my passport, but for example my British stamp states "Leave to enter for six months: employment and recourse to public funds prohibited". There is a reason all of those blank pages say Visas at the top. Therefor, that should still be included in the 45%. Is there some other alternative besides illegally crossing the border?

 

I agree.

 

No he wasn't. The conversation had long earlier devolved into a general discussion about immigration and the potential problems it generates. Here was his post to which I had responded and he to me:

That is just a broadside swipe at all (cometswin included) who had touted that immigration is a problem that needs addressing. The 14th amendment is but one approach.