Republicans to Obama: "It's none of your business" if high school kids dropout

Almost every study on compulsory schooling laws indicates that the private returns are significant, and that the social returns are at least statistically insignificant, never negative.

Considering the factors that might constrain schooling, and the returns (think of the positive returns on civil participation outcomes---reduction of crime, inclination towards civil action such as elections etc.) compulsory schooling is very good public policy.

 

Yes.

Not sure. I agree that we don't generally think of 14-year-olds as smart enough to make decisions about their future, but most other countries force them to do that at that time. (They also typically have more choices than public high school and the street.) I do think I would lower it to 16 in Texas.

 

As you and everyone else just agrees with what I said

 

It's School Choice Week! Down with the government monopoly and pubic sector unions! Separate school and state. Abolish the Department of Education!



National School Choice Week kicks off in New Orleans

http://www.wwltv.com/news/local/National-School-Choice-Week-Kicks-off-in-New-Orleans-137826324.html

NEW ORLEANS-- Vanessa Prout and several of her grandchildren spent part of their weekend immersed in schools.

"I was just trying to get some more information on it and other schools," she said.

Prout was part of the crowd that gathered at the UNO Lakefront Arena for the national start of School Choice Week. More than 350 events are being held in all 50 states. New Orleans became the focus of it because the emergence of the school choice movement here. It is part of an effort to let parents know what options they have, when it comes to their children's education.

"What we see today in our public education system all throughout the country is that the education you get is based on the zip code that you live in," said Michelle Bernard, President of the Bernard Center for Women, Politics and Public Policy.

National School Choice Week advisor Lisa Keegan said students attending schools, based on where they live, does not work for everyone.

"There is just a huge array of choices you can make for your kids," Keegan said.

Among the options touted: charter, public and private schools, along with vouchers, homeschooling and online learning.

Governor Bobby Jindal outlined educational reform as a major part of his second term, including a proposed statewide expansion of the Orleans school voucher program. It is something that is also being pushed for by the Louisiana Black Alliance for Educational Options.

"It's been our belief that this program is been effective for parents and the idea of parental choice and so we'd like to see the program expanded across the state," said Eric Lewis, state director of the LaBAEO.

However, the event's organizers say they try to stay from politics, even though some of the school choice ideas are controversial and leave questions about how to best deal with failing schools.

"It's always difficult because schooling is about human relationships and I don't think that anybody who does our work can speak in terms of, 'oh that's competition or whatever.' It's heartbreaking and we know it," Keegan said. "But what school choice is about, is about being excellent no matter the cost."

Just what that cost ends up being may become apparent in New Orleans first, as it stands at the forefront of dealing with the concept of school choice.

http://www.schoolchoiceweek.com/

 

Who is stopping these parents from having their child attend a private school?

 

Stop spamming before you get banned again

 

lol schoolchoice. what a joke.

 

I think it makes a huge difference. Getting a h.s. diploma makes them dramatically more hirable. But let's get the facts before we make a conclusion either way.

I do advocate giving students options such as trade school or a pathway to military service, or a sponsored apprenticeship. But letting a 16 year old sit at home and do nothing all day is criminally negligent. Some form of preparation for society must be there.

 

No one has suggested forcing kids to graduate. Obama has suggested that the schools in all states to adopt the same compulsory education standards as those models of education excellence Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and the District of Columbia.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0112617.html

 

Geez....only President Obama could get in trouble for a 'stay in school' message..

 

It's a "we will force you to stay in 'school'" message.

 

Judging by some of the posters around here, that might not be such a bad idea.

 

You do realize most states have the law on the books already? Including Texas.

 

Hightop just realizes that he needs to be angry to retain party affiliation. After that, cognition signals rapidly decline.

 

1. No one is saying how to get their education on a national level. It is just saying you have to get an education. Really your gonna debate whether people should get an education?

2. Don't all states already require children up the age of like 14 or 16 to be in some sort of school? Is it really that big a deal to make that 18 for all states?

3. You know Thomas Jefferson, The freedom loving found father, has this to say about education and democracy:

Essentially, a good democracy will not succeed and persevere without a well-informed electorate. As the democracy extends that electorate to a wider range of people, it has to increase the number of people it educates. As the democracy and the soceity that it governs becomes more complex, it has to further educate that electorate so that can better understand their decision in the electoral process.

4. Really? I still cannot understand everyone's utter obsession with states rights in this day and age. Yes, in a nation this large, certain duties are much better carried out by a state and local government.

However, the world today is entirely different today than 200 years ago, 100 years ago, 50 years ago or even 10 years ago. You have information from around the world immediately and at the drop of an instant. You have economies that are multinationally based and intertwined between nations.

This is no longer a world where the USA is on a clear level ahead of everyone else. Overall yes, but that gap is closing in a variety of fronts. Sure not every front is being narrowed by single entity, but other countries and companies are choosing charging ahead in a few ways. Squabbling amongst ourselves about the national government shouldn't be doing this or that, and that is a state's rights policy to be decided by the locals is what causes nations to fall behind and crumble from with in. Most obvious example would be that of Rome.

Having simple policies that are consistent throughout the nation in this era is not only smart, but likely essential to truly progress as and not completely fall back to pack or even worse.

 

If only that rule had been in place for you...

 

If what Northside says is true, then really, why the hell not?

Is the counter-argument simply "gubbermint don't tell me whut 2 doo!!!1"...?

That seems to be shovelface's mantra, if it's not absolute freedom, then it's bad.

Which is about the stupidest, most overly simplistic, non-critical line of thinking going today in politics.

 

I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not. I never finished high school, but I hold an advanced degree. If I had been made to suffer through high school, I'm not sure I'd have had any interest in higher education.

 

Advanced degrees in Suave and Seduction don't really count.

 

fify

In order to determine if someone is getting an education the government must first define an education.

I am debating whether someone should have to get a government approved education. The choice should be up to the parents (or the individual if they are deemed an adult).