Republicans: Police your own

GladiatoRowdy · Mar 22, 2010

Batman Jones said:

That's considerably more incendiary than anything you've complained about me posting. Hypocrite.
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Lighten up, Francis, you are really turning into a diva...

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DonnyMost · Mar 22, 2010

Batman Jones said:

That's considerably more incendiary than anything you've complained about me posting. Hypocrite.
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Yeah, but unlike you, he was joking.

rimrocker · Mar 22, 2010

Makes me proud to be a Texan...

The mystery of who shouted "baby killer!" during a speech on the House floor by Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., has finally been solved. Rep. Randy Neugebauer, R-Texas, has come forward and admitted responsibility, though he says his remark was about the healthcare reform bill, not about Stupak.
http://www.salon.com/news/healthcar...ory=/politics/war_room/2010/03/22/baby_killer
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DonnyMost · Mar 22, 2010

OK, what the hell?

How can you say "BABY KILLER" (a freaking title/name for a person) and be referring to a bill?

That is total BS.

"THAT THERE BILL IS A BABY KILLER!!!"

glynch · Mar 22, 2010

finalsbound said:

it bothers me most that these republican politicians seem to be making all sorts of excuses for these people. it's kind of horrifying. oh, it's the democrats' fault, because if they weren't acting so totalitarian-y and communist-y, they wouldn't have driven these poor tea party people so crazy that n***** and f***** just FLEW out of their mouths!

give me a break.
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Actually if the Dems (it isn't ever on the GOP/ country club agenda) had taken care to help these poor hurting folks out with more equitable economic policies it is doubtful they would be so extreme.

giddyup · Mar 22, 2010

FranchiseBlade said:

Nobody was trying to slander Republicans. It was a request to police their own. If the Republicans felt defensive about their connection to the tea party, that is their own issue. The tea party had racists there, the tea party had Republican speakers come out and address them in speeches, and with signs. The connection has been made. A request for Republicans to police their own isn't the same as slandering all Republicans.
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Again, get real! When did those suggesting that Republicans police the Tea Baggers ever say anything remotely civil or complimentary about the Tea Baggers? Then you bend over backwards to try and make some kind of organic connection between the Republican Party and the Teabaggers and you get skittish about the suggestion of slander?

B-Bob · Mar 22, 2010

Boomhauer shouted something? Can you be absolutely sure what he said?

DonnyMost · Mar 22, 2010

B-Bob said:

Boomhauer shouted something? Can you be absolutely sure what he said?
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Dang ol' baby killer, mang...

Depressio · Mar 22, 2010

rimrocker said:

Makes me proud to be a Texan...
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Texas strikes again.

And in true Texan fashion, the commenters of chron.com will support him and continue saying the abominable phrase.

justtxyank · Mar 22, 2010

DonnyMost said:

My friend had me cracking up at Starbucks the other day.

"Call it the Tea Party all you want, but I know the Klan when I see it."
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Your friend either has a bad sense of humor or he's intolerant and ignorant.

DonnyMost · Mar 22, 2010

justtxyank said:

Your friend either has a bad sense of humor or he's intolerant and ignorant.
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Tea Partying.

Serious business.

FranchiseBlade · Mar 22, 2010

giddyup said:

Again, get real! When did those suggesting that Republicans police the Tea Baggers ever say anything remotely civil or complimentary about the Tea Baggers? Then you bend over backwards to try and make some kind of organic connection between the Republican Party and the Teabaggers and you get skittish about the suggestion of slander?
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I don't understand what you are talking about. Why should they have to say something complimentary about the tea baggers? The problems wasn't that the tea baggers didn't say something nice. It was that they shouted racist and prejudiced things.

There is a connection between the tea baggers and the Republicans. I'm not trying to do anything. I don't have to. Is your point that it is slander to tie Republicans to the tea baggers?

I really don't understand the post you are trying to make.

giddyup · Mar 22, 2010

FranchiseBlade said:

I don't understand what you are talking about. Why should they have to say something complimentary about the tea baggers? The problems wasn't that the tea baggers didn't say something nice. It was that they shouted racist and prejudiced things.

There is a connection between the tea baggers and the Republicans. I'm not trying to do anything. I don't have to. Is your point that it is slander to tie Republicans to the tea baggers?

I really don't understand the post you are trying to make.
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Are you being deliberately obtuse? :grin:

The Teabaggers have been and are technically non-partisan. That doesn't mean that Republicans or Democrats cannot be fan, participants or operatives. It just means that the group is grassroots in nature.

You insult Teabaggers right and left and then try to prove some kind of organic connection between them and the Republican party. What is NOT to understand?

rhadamanthus · Mar 22, 2010

Link.

Last night, as the clock approached midnight and the long House debate on health care reform was finally winding down, Rep. Bart Stupak stepped to the microphone on the floor of the chamber to deliver his remarks. As the famously anti-abortion congressman was denouncing a measure to kill the deal he'd struck earlier in the day for President Obama to issue an executive order reiterating that no federal funds would pay for abortions, a voice suddenly shouted "Baby killer!" from the GOP side of the House floor.

Today, after a flurry of media questions about the identity of the shouter, GOP Texas Rep. Randy Neugebauer stepped forward as the offending shouter—though he stipulated he actually shouted, "It's a baby killer," in reference to the unamended health care bill, and has since apologized to Stupak for any suggestion that he personally was responsible for the killing of babies.

Neugebauer's confession will help speed the episode's exit from the news cycle—particularly once President Obama signs the health care bill into law and Congress moves on to fresh controversies. But the "Baby killer!" furor highlights a far more serious, long-term political dilemma for the Republicans: how to appear to be a respectable party capable of governing while also providing political shelter for the highly motivated, though vocally disruptive, protest wing of the party associated with the Tea Party movement. While many commentators are forecasting trouble ahead for Democrats identified with the health care bill, the GOP faces some major issues of its own.

Just look at the past weekend: Thousands of Tea Party protesters descended on Washington in an attempt to "kill the bill." It was an impressive turnout for a quickly organized protest—but coverage of the event soon was dominated by reports that some demonstrators had hurled racial and homophobic epithets at Democratic lawmakers as they entered the Capitol.

Nor were the passionate displays limited to the protestors outside. Even after admonishing members of his caucus to "behave like grown-ups" during the epic health care floor debate, Majority Leader John Boehner let loose with a cry of "Hell no!" in his own fiery floor speech denouncing the Democrats' handling of the legislative process.

Also noteworthy: Kentucky Congressman Geoff Davis unveiled a flag on the Capitol balcony featuring the "Don't Tread on Me" slogan famously used by past revolutionary militia groups.

The alliance between conservative lawmakers and movement activists was sealed in the wake of Rep. Joe Wilson's now-famous "You lie!" shout during an address by President Obama to both chambers of Congress. The incident earned some tut-tutting from party and congressional leaders, but Wilson saw his fundraising numbers skyrocket with Tea Party donations after his outburst on the floor. Additionally, Wilson's Senate colleague from South Carolina, Jim DeMint—who authored a book denouncing "America's slide into socialism"—also sought to amp up activist support with the challenge to make health care into the Obama administration's Waterloo, an assertion the left is having some fun with on his Facebook page today.

But one prominent conservative commentator—former Bush speechwriter David Frum—argues that last night's vote was an enormous political reversal for Republicans. Saying that the Republicans went for "all the marbles" by unanimously opposing the bill and refusing to compromise in any way—fueling activist fury at the same time—he writes:

So today's defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it's mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it's Waterloo all right: ours.

Frum's assessment actually echoes a warning call that conservative writer William Kristol advanced in a famous memo preaching hard opposition to President Clinton's 1993 health care reform bill. Kristol then cautioned that party leaders couldn't afford to let any version of the measure pass, lest the provisions of the bill create powerful new political alliances for the Democrats, as had happened after the passage of Social Security and Medicare in prior battles over federal entitlements. (It should be noted that this morning Kristol appears to be backing away from his past prediction of GOP doom and gloom if the Democrats successfully passed health care reform.)

Kristol's strategy of going all-in on opposing health care proved a political winner then: GOP opposition—combined with internal Democratic political tensions—defeated Clinton's bill and set the stage for the 1994 Republican Revolution. In losing the vote this time out via a strategy of strict opposition, Frum argues that the GOP has left itself little in the way of legislative achievement to run on in future campaigns, an assessment at least one other conservative commentator agrees with. Liberal pundits, meanwhile, are offering tongue-in-cheek accolades to the "unsung hero of comprehensive reform": Republican leaders who refused to work to make the bill more moderate, thus unifying the fractious Democrats.

In many ways, the dilemma faced by modern Republicans is similar to the one Democrats faced in the '60s and '70s with the Vietnam-era anti-war movement. While the confrontation-minded (and media-friendly) activists garnered headlines and caused widespread disruption, the Democrats succumbed to damaging leadership divisions on the war—and in the process, allowed Republicans to tag them with sinister hippie and New Left leanings ever since. The challenge for Republicans going forward is to avoid the same undertow from their activist base—to establish majorities in Washington and not let the unsavory aspects of the fringe haunt them for decades to come.

In the short term, though, the GOP doesn't seem to be in much of a mood for introspection—at least not to judge by the remarks of the party's 2008 standard bearer, Arizona Sen. John McCain, who had previously made a mark as a compromise-minded lawmaker. "There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year," McCain said during an interview with The Hill. "[The Democrats] have poisoned the well in what they've done and how they've done it."
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cson · Mar 22, 2010

I wish I was surprised by all this. Maybe some day I will be surprised, but not yet.

Reminds me of the Chris Rock bit about Regis. Nothing surprises me.

FranchiseBlade · Mar 22, 2010

giddyup said:

Are you being deliberately obtuse? :grin:

The Teabaggers have been and are technically non-partisan. That doesn't mean that Republicans or Democrats cannot be fan, participants or operatives. It just means that the group is grassroots in nature.

You insult Teabaggers right and left and then try to prove some kind of organic connection between them and the Republican party. What is NOT to understand?
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They can claim to be non-partisan all day long. That doesn't make it so.

The tea baggers are in large part a wing of the Republican party. Look at the speakers for their convention. Look at the speakers at their rally. Look at who organizes half of their events if not more.

I'm sure you know who Dick Armey is. Freedom Works is Armey's group which organizes events for the tea party.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090415_obamas_cup_of_tea/

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/04/the-tea-party-movement-whos-in-charge/13041/

Please stop acting like there isn't a connection. We don't need to go through what is already foregone conclusion.

KingCheetah · Mar 22, 2010

REPUBLICAN - ARE YOU POLICING YOURSELF YET !?

Major · Mar 22, 2010

giddyup said:

The Teabaggers have been and are technically non-partisan. That doesn't mean that Republicans or Democrats cannot be fan, participants or operatives. It just means that the group is grassroots in nature.
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Grassroots and non-partisan are unrelated. The fact that they are a grassroots group doesn't mean they are non-partisan any more so than MoveOn.org being grassroots would suggest they are non-partisan.

Batman Jones · Mar 22, 2010

Clyburn And Cummings Condemn HCR Protesters -- And Their GOP Supporters
Jillian Rayfield | March 22, 2010, 5:15PM

Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-SC) and Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) spoke out today against Republican support of health care reform protesters -- some of whom shouted racial epithets and spat on Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-MO) over the weekend.

Clyburn said that "Saturday was just beyond the pale."

He added that this type of behavior "cannot be separated from the Republican Party, when you've got Republican members standing on the floor applauding those people who are trying to disrupt the proceedings."

Cummings, for his part, agreed: "We had a situation here where some of this was encouraged."

Clyburn also referenced Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA), who downplayed these incidents on Sunday when he said that "when you use totalitarian tactics, people begin to act crazy."

Clyburn: "What is totalitarian about having Barack Obama as President of the United States?"

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmem...-and-their-gop-supporters-video.php?ref=fpblg

Rashmon · Mar 22, 2010

I'm surprised it took giddyup this long to come in and defend the racis, er, completely non-partisan tea party folks.

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