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Republicans Offer $100 Rebate Checks/Democrats, a 60 Day Suspension of Gas Taxes

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Lil Pun, Apr 27, 2006.

  1. nyquil82

    nyquil82 Member

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    so pwned.
     
  2. basso

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    she left out peolosi and schumer who did the exact same thing. wonder why?
     
  3. mc mark

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    link? tia
     
  4. basso

    basso Member
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    boxer, not pelosi- i get my califonians mixed up, although peolis did make some equally idiotic statements.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/26/AR2006042602307.html

    "Since George Bush and Dick Cheney took over as president and vice president, gas prices have doubled!" charged Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), standing at an Exxon station on Capitol Hill where regular unleaded hit $3.10. "They are too cozy with the oil industry."

    She then hopped in a waiting Chrysler LHS (18 mpg)--even though her Senate office was only a block away.

    Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) used a Hyundai Elantra to take the one-block journey to and from the gas-station news conference. He posed in front of the fuel prices and gave them a thumbs-down. "Get tough on big oil!" he demanded of the Bush administration.
     
  5. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy
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    A hundred dollar gas rebate!? The repubs are running on fumes.
     
  6. Rockets2K

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    they are sniffing the fumes if they think that is all it will take for us to forgive their shameful obedience to the oil companies.
    :(
     
  7. insane man

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    if gas prices dont stop rising fumes are the best our cars will run on too...
     
  8. Deckard

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    If they ignore the better Democratic plan, you'll be seeing your $100 check this Fall, before the elections, not during the summer, when you might actually think 2 or 3 seconds about spending it on gas. (not that $100 does much... about two fill-ups for my van)



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
  9. nyquil82

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    What I don't get is that some republicans support high gas prices but are against people engaging in sodomy.

    Hypocrites.
     
  10. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    For what it's worth, based on the following:

    15 gallon tank (regular unleaded)
    25 MPG
    15000 miles driving per year
    $2.75 (average gallon of gas - I go to Sam's)

    The republican plan of a $100 "rebate" will save around $0.16/gallon (at least for me).

    That being said, it's still a lame idea.
     
  11. JuanValdez

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    How much will it cost the government in man-hours, etc, to process the millions of checks they'd have to send out money that will hardly be felt in most American households?
     
  12. Mulder

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    Exactly.

    Just cap the G-Damn price at 2.15 a gallon for regular + 10 for; + 20 for premium.
     
  13. MadMax

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    is that legal????

    i will make it legal!!!!

    [​IMG]
     
  14. Saint Louis

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    Dick Cheney needs to hit the tanning salon. The winter in DC hasn't been good to him.
     
  15. geeimsobored

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    I believe Carter and Nixon tried price control tactics once. I think we shouldve learned by now that artifically messing up supply and demand does more harm than good.
     
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    Iraq Oil Outpust Lowest Since Invasion

    By JIM KRANE, Associated Press Writer
    1 hour, 8 minutes ago
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060428...WjNUb4UewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

    With oil prices above $70 a barrel fouling the world economy, dismay is focusing on Iraq, whose exports have slipped to their lowest levels since the 2003 invasion.

    "Iraq could be making a tremendous difference," said Dalton Garis, an economist at the Petroleum Institute in Abu Dhabi. Instead, its shortfall is "a significant contributing factor to the high price of oil," he said.

    Iraq, a founding member of OPEC, sits atop the world's third-highest proven reserves. Its estimated 115 billion barrels is more than any other OPEC member except for Saudi Arabia and Iran.

    But contrary to optimistic expectations, Iraq's oil production has slipped further and further since the U.S.-led invasion, to an average of 2 million barrels a day. It has never regained even the reduced production levels that prevailed in the 1990s, when Iraq was under tough U.N. sanctions.

    Iraq's oil could be providing relief to world markets, strained by high demand from China, the nuclear-related showdown with Iran and unrest near Nigeria's oil fields. Instead, it's not even covering its own needs.

    The rickety Iraqi oil system has been damaged repeatedly by insurgent sabotage and attacks on maintenance crews. Corruption, theft of oil, and widespread mismanagement compound the problems, analysts say.

    Iraq also lacks laws that would protect foreign investment, and its government is still sorting out whether oil will be controlled by the central government or the provinces.

    The result: Iraq is importing refined oil products at record high prices at a time that it should be boosting exports to take advantage of those prices to earn money for reconstruction.

    In 2005, Iraq's exports averaged just 1.4 million barrels a day, which earned the country about $26 billion. This winter proved disastrous, with January exports failing to reach even 1 million barrels a day, said George Orwel, an analyst with Petroleum Intelligence Weekly in New York.

    "It's a mess," he said. "At some point Iraq is going to be back in the picture, but it's been a very bad couple of years. They're missing out."

    In 1990, probably its peak production year, Iraq extracted about 3.5 million barrels a day. Restoring production to that level would require years and a $30 billion investment, Orwel said, even in the "best case scenario."

    Those figures suggest misplaced optimism by Iraq's oil ministry, which in 2005 predicted crude production would reach 2.5 million or even 3 million barrels a day by the end of 2006. Analysts have called that prediction a pipe dream.

    The outlook for this year looks about the same as 2005, Orwel said, casting doubt even on the ministry's revised plans to raise exports to 1.8 million barrels a day by year's end.

    Orwel, author of a forthcoming book on Iraq's oil sector, said many of the problems thwarting Iraq's exports have no simple solution — but some do.

    For instance, exports from Iraq's southern oil fields have been hampered by the decrepit tugboats needed to pilot tankers to Persian Gulf terminals. The tugs, so old that spare parts can't be bought, frequently broke down or weren't seaworthy enough to handle rough winter seas.

    As a result, charges from tankers forced to delay loading cost Iraq $50 million over the past year, which the oil ministry paid by giving away oil, Orwel said.

    Insurgents have been so deft at shutting down the pipelines from the giant fields around the northern city of Kirkuk that Iraqi authorities tried to move crude by truck to its refineries and crude-burning power plants. But after insurgents attacked the trucks, drivers became difficult to recruit and the oil ministry was forced to cut production, Orwel said.

    Corruption has worsened the situation, according to a report release Tuesday by the oil ministry's inspector general. The loss of oil revenue to corruption and theft has become the biggest threat to Iraq's economy, costing Baghdad's beleaguered treasury billions of dollars, it said.

    "For example, about 20 percent of the oil products that Iraq imported last year, worth $4.2 billion, were smuggled to neighboring countries," the report said.

    Iraq's sputtering oil sector has defied optimists led by Vice President Dick Cheney and former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, who hoped booming exports from Iraq could pay for its reconstruction and help satisfy world demand.

    Instead, repercussions from the U.S.-led invasion are now slowing the global economy, said Saadallah al-Fathi, a former OPEC official who advised Iraq's oil ministry under Saddam Hussein.

    "The invasion of Iraq hasn't only been devastating to the Iraqi people, but it has been detrimental to the rest of the world," al-Fathi said from his home in Sharjah, in the UAE. "Iraq has lost a third of its production due to the American invasion."


    "Now that Iraq has to import many petroleum products, it's a double whammy," he said.

    Oil production was more successful under Saddam, he said. "There were technical problems. But they were contained. Things were improving slowly. We didn't have sabotage. We had full security in the oil fields."
     
  17. mc mark

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    Don't you just love it though that when anyone asks the president or administration about the sour mood of the country these days, the stock answer is "well, we've got these high gas prices; that's why everyone is so anxious."

    They can't very well come out and tell the truth that people are pissed about the war and maybe that's why people aren't happy these days. Or the reason for the low poll numbers.

    Hint there W – It’s not the gas prices it’s the WAR you idiot!
     
  18. rimrocker

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    Oh man, this story is funny. The second line of the headline is hilarious... not to mention the call for regulatory relief... and don't forget to read about how Bush will use his authority wisely...

     
  19. glynch

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    Sadly many of the dittos wll gladly take their $100 bucks and be grateful to Dubya. Their ignorance know few bounds. Give them a $300 tax break and raise their kids tuition at state colleges by $3,000 and they think they're ahead.
     
  20. u851662

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    Yeah really. I would wipe my ass with that $100 and hand it right back to our elected officials. :mad: Basso is right, I wish we could have 100% turnover.
     

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