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Republican Primary Poll

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, Nov 3, 2007.

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If the primary was held today, you would vote for...

  1. Rudy Giuliani

    17.6%
  2. Mike Huckabee

    14.7%
  3. Duncan Hunter

    0.7%
  4. John McCain

    11.8%
  5. Ron Paul

    41.9%
  6. Mitt Romney

    6.6%
  7. Tom Tancredo

    0.7%
  8. Fred Thompson

    5.9%
  1. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    Now see? We can agree!

    Huckabee has been the most fun to watch so far and republicans could do worse with their nom. Tell you what, if Huck is elected president I'll buy you a bottle of your favorite liqueur. I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic about my boy.

    Don't know about Hope AR, but I do know who the "hope" candidate is this year!

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  2. weslinder

    weslinder Member

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    Ron Paul supporters are trying another fundraising blitz today, this time in celebration of the 234th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. The goal is $10MM, and it looks like it will fall somewhere short of that, $6-7MM.

    Follow along here, if you want: http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com/dec_16_extended_total.html
     
  3. rodrick_98

    rodrick_98 Member

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    man you're quick. i was just about to paste a link to the site. even if they fall short of the 10 mil goal, i think today puts him in the lead as far as fundraising goes.



    http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com/index.html
     
  4. jo mama

    jo mama Member

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    thanks for the reminder yall!

    i just donated another $50 to the ron paul campaign!

    ive now donated $100 to his campaign, which is $100 more than ive ever given to any other politician.
     
  5. jo mama

    jo mama Member

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    ron paul campaign raised $5.4 million today, putting him at almost $18 million for the quarter.

    http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

     
  6. rodrick_98

    rodrick_98 Member

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    slightly disappointing as the original goal last month was set at $10 million. though today's donations will put him near the $12 million 4th quarter goal. this is enough to remain competitive for the first 3-4 primary states. and it will especially help his chances in NH.
     
  7. Batman Jones

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    Disappointing? Hardly. I think this is like the third time he's set a record for money raised in the cause of a clear folly. You should be proud.

    And talk about your fiscal liberalism. That's what? 18 million down a drain? At least y'all aren't giving it to viable Republicans (are there any?) to run their usual BS slash and burn ads. Keep on keepin on is what I say.
     
  8. jo mama

    jo mama Member

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    dissapointing? are you kidding me?

    i never heard the goal was $10 million for one day. the goal was $12 million for the quarter and yesterdays donations put him at over $18 million for the quarter. he took in over $6 million yesterday.

    paul the only candidate to take in more donations in the 4th quarter than the 3rd.

    paul is also the leading fundraiser among active duty military (as the strongest critic of the iraq war running, republican or democrat, that speaks volumes).

    http://www.ronpaul2008.com

    ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA -- Texas Congressman Ron Paul’s presidential campaign had a record fundraising day yesterday.

    In a 24-hour period on December 16, the campaign raised $6 million dollars, surpassing the one-day record of $5.7 million held by John Kerry.

    During the day, over 58,000 people contributed to Dr. Paul’s campaign, including 24,940 first-time donors. Over 118,000 Americans have donated to the campaign in the fourth quarter.

    The $6 million one day total means the campaign has raised over $18 million this quarter, far exceeding its initial fourth quarter goal of $12 million.


    "The outpouring of support shows what a powerful message freedom is," said campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "Americans are tired of the same old Washington, and they are rallying around Dr. Paul’s message of freedom, peace and prosperity."

    Congressman Paul will be campaigning in Iowa today and will be holding a press conference at 12:45 pm at the Des Moines Marriott in the Des Moines Room. Members of the press are strongly encouraged to attend.
     
  9. jo mama

    jo mama Member

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    i dont think my $100 is going down the drain. im happy to be supporting the only candidate, republican or democrat, who is trying to do the right thing for this country. im putting my money where my mouth is.

    im not going to get behind some candidate simply b/c they have a D or an R in front of their name. that is the definition of being a tool. hillary is pushing the same agenda as bush, and when your party nominates her all you democrats who are against bush are going to love it, just b/c of the little letter infront of her name.

    you disappeared on me a few weeks ago, but im still curious why you say im a liberal and id still like you to explain what you meant when you said id probably support larouche over wellstone.
     
  10. Astro101

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    I donated and I was happy to do so. I never was active before in following up these races or anything before this year, but RP has made me so.
     
  11. rodrick_98

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    in mid november, just after the last money bomb on the 5th, when this most recent one was announced, the teaparty07 site wanted 100,000 donations of $100. this is the only reason i say it's a disappointment, but it was certainly a success. i look at it as winning a sporting event but winning by 6 instead of 20. now if he can get some press and get his name out there, rp may have a shot.
     
  12. mc mark

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    Karma is a b****! :D

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    Huckabee: The GOP's Cynical Use of Religion Has Come Home to Roost


    With Mike Huckabee's continuing surge, the Republican Party now has an Iowa front-runner whose religious beliefs are virtually identical to those of George Bush. He's anti-choice, born-again, against gay-marriage, and gets political advice directly from God.

    So why is the Republican establishment suddenly in a state of near-apoplexy about Mike Huckabee? Shouldn't they be happy? They've been cultivating evangelicals and fundamentalists for 30 years. Now they finally have a candidate who's truly part of the movement.

    So what's the problem?

    Actually, that is the problem. The evangelical crowd was fine when it was just a resource to be cynically exploited every few years in demagogic anti-gay get-out-the-vote campaigns. But now the holy-rolling monster the GOP's Dr. Frankensteins have created has thrown off the shackles, fled the lab, and is currently leading in Iowa. And the party doesn't know what to do.

    It's actually fun to watch the consternation. Ross Douthat has dubbed this feeling "Huckenfreude," which he defines as "pleasure derived from the outrage of prominent conservative pundits over the rising poll numbers of Mike Huckabee."

    And there is certainly no shortage of outrage among hyperventilating conservative columnists across the country. The National Review's Rich Lowry has coined a neologism of his own: "Huckacide." This is when a national party commits suicide by nominating an "under-vetted former governor who is manifestly unprepared to be president of the United States."

    Yeah, that would certainly be crazy, wouldn't it? Makes you wonder where these people have been for the last seven years.

    Over at the Washington Post, Charles Krauthammer is wringing his hands about an "overdose of public piety," "scriptural literalism," and how the 2008 campaign is "knee-deep in religion."

    At the Weekly Standard, Stephen Hayes worries about the fact that Huckabee "told a producer for Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network that his religious background made him most qualified to lead the war on terror," and that he "seems to believe the best foreign policy is one guided by the Golden Rule." Scoffing at the Golden Rule? What's next, attacking the Boy Scout Oath? And what it is about Huckabee's name that inspires a whole new lexicon? The Weekly Standard's headline writers couldn't resist, dubbing his perceived foreign policy shortcomings "The Perils of Huckaplomacy."

    Over at the Wall Street Journal, Peggy Noonan frets that the Republican Party of today wouldn't like Ronald Reagan much now that "faith has been heightened as a determining factor in how to vote," and says that voters in Iowa "may be deciding if Republicans are becoming a different kind of party."

    If? If??

    Turns out that when you define your party a certain way for a two or three decades, people actually start to believe it, and that definition can, in fact, become your party.

    According to Andrew Sullivan, "it is certainly too late for fellow-traveling Christianists like Lowry and Krauthammer to start whining now. This is their party. And they asked for every last bit of it."

    The Republican establishment is tying itself in knots trying to land on a publicly acceptable rationale for their Huckabhorrence (I told you, it's irresistible). Some criticize his "fair tax" plan -- but since when have nutty economic plans ever disqualified a Republican presidential candidate?

    No, the real reason is class. As Kevin Drum puts it, "mainstream conservatives are mostly urban sophisticates with a libertarian bent, not rural evangelicals with a social conservative bent. They're happy to talk up NASCAR and pickup trucks in public, but in real life they mostly couldn't care less about either. Ditto for opposing abortion and the odd bit of gay bashing via proxy. But when it comes to Ten Commandments monuments and end times eschatology, they shiver inside just like any mainstream liberal."

    As Steve Benen writes at TPM, "The Republican Party's religious right base is supposed to be seen, not heard. Candidates are supposed to pander to this crowd, not actually come from this crowd."

    They want their base to be a kind of electoral cicada: wake up every four years, vote, and then go underground and shut-up.



    Will Huckabee win the nomination? No one knows. But win or lose, I can't see this genie going back in the bottle. One danger for the Huckabee haters is that right wing social positions aren't the only thing they've been nurturing for 30 years -- there's also this sense of aggrieved, martyred hatred of "the elites." Of course, it's usually completely manufactured. But this time, there really is a group looking down its nose at the evangelicals -- and it's not godless liberals. It's the supporters of Romney, McCain, Thompson and Giuliani. So what's going to happen when evangelicals realize this and tap into the hatred of "the elites" the GOP establishment has been whipping up in them for three decades?

    Mark Kleiman points out that Huckabee is the only non-millionaire among the serious GOP contenders, and the only one who doesn't court what Kevin Drum calls the "money-cons" -- those Republicans for whom globalization is the only true religion.

    Republicans have been running on a faux populist/religiously conservative platform ever since Richard Nixon. It was refined and heightened by Lee Atwater and again by Karl Rove. And now that they have a rising candidate who truly represents that platform, the movers and shakers of the party are doing all they can to kneecap him.

    But as the Good Book says: "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/huckabee-the-gops-cynic_b_77165.html
     
  13. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    that column is proverbial nail on head mc mark

    just take a look at some of our more elite posters on this site. a particular three I'm thinking of.
     
  14. El_Conquistador

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    That liberal hit job on religion from the left-wing Kookosphere is so incredibly hypocritical. Want to talk about using religion in a disingenuous manner -- then talk about the democrats. Their politicians embrace church on Sunday morning, then the other 165 hours in the week are making fun of it, and looking down on people who go to church. Obviously the democrats' social policies are 180 degrees different from what a Christian would support. Abortions? Gay marriages? Hardly Christian. Huge planks in the democratic platform. There is a reason why 75% of Christian men vote Republican.

    But the sickest display of democrats using religion as a weapon is their policy speeches that they make on Sunday morning IN THE CHURCH. I flipped on CNN a couple of Sundays ago and saw Bill Clinton trashing Republican politics IN A CHURCH. It was disgusting to mix partisanship during a time to worship God. Pure liberal filth. And why the heck is the philandering, lying Bill Clinton speaking in a House of God in the first place? What moral authority does that guy have? None. Want to know who is pimping religion in a disgusting fashion -- the dems.
     
  15. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    but your president, the supposed leader of your party, a white christian male, isn't pro life.


    edit: its more than religion
     
    #175 pgabriel, Dec 18, 2007
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  16. MadMax

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    The church rallying around either political party makes me vomit.
     
  17. hotballa

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    well you know Max, according to the liberals, we're too stupid to realize when we're being manipulated by the evil Republicans, and according to the elitist conservatives, we're really only good enough to play the role of Robin. :D








    i keed, i keed
     
  18. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    to be fair, when you basically divide voting americans into two parties, its hard for each group to agree on all of its supposed values. the republicans do a good job of bringing out their base with issues I really don't think they care that much about.

    also to be fair, I think republicans do a much better job of defining goals.
     
  19. jo mama

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    you say all this and yet you support george bush.

    what a tool!
     
  20. weslinder

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    mc mark,

    Mrs. Huffington's columns are always a fun read, but she's as off-base as ever in this one. Only a California liberal could say the leadership in the Republican Party recently has a libertarian bent. Reagan and Bush 41 weren't the big government socialists that this President is, but they weren't Goldwater, either. W has lorded over 8 years of so many entitlements and international interventions that Roosevelt and Johnson would be proud.

    D&D. Impeach all Liberals. Bush included.
     

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