shanna: I forgot; humor cannot have a grain of truth in it. ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils.
RichRocket: There wasn't anything there that was funny. Besides, humor should not be based on completely fallacious and mistaken assertions. I don't think he said a single thing that had a grain of truth in it. If there's humor in a situation, fine... but that was biased, rhetoric that attempted to be funny by mocking people's beliefs. That's offensive and wrong. ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
Of course there were kernels of truth in his piece. 1. Are you saying that Larry Flynt doesn't yuck it up with Democratic bigwigs? It was his money that exposed House Majority Leader-elect Bob Livingstone, wasn't it? He threatened to do even more. By the way, the "crime" of Clinton was not having an affair it was lying before the Grand Jury. 2. Read the reference he cited; it is true that the founders were heavily influence by Christian tradition and the Bible. Their life's work is full of references to such. They were opposed to a state religion such as the Anglican Church was to merry old England. They knew that the success and longevity of our nation would be dependent on the moral character of its citizenry. Ben Franklin predicted that winning independence would be easier than keeping it. 3. Can you name the one person in this world who has done both of these things: counseled Bill Clinton about his infidelity with Lewinsky and visited Al Gore on the night he lost the presidential bid? Jesse Jackson; does he sound like "an unimportant member of the Democratic party?" Sure, Reps and Dems both have done sleazy things. When caught, they shouldn't just take a weekend of atonement and get back into the fray pretending to be the uber-conscience of the masses. Jackson is a sleazeball of the first order. 4. What do high-school dropouts and grad students have in common? Absolutely nothing except that they both vote overwhelmingly Democratic. What's wrong with this picture!!!!!!!! Incendiary? How about provocative? Incorrect? How about largely accurate? Misleading? Don't think so.... The posting was a piece of humor. If you want to see something to get really stirred up about go the the piece about WWJD: What Would Jenna Drink. Now that's class! ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils.
I fail to see your kernels. Even the rationally softened picture you paint is, at best, doubtful. "1. Are you saying that Larry Flynt doesn't yuck it up with Democratic bigwigs? It was his money that exposed House Majority Leader-elect Bob Livingstone, wasn't it? He threatened to do even more. By the way, the "crime" of Clinton was not having an affair it was lying before the Grand Jury." Do you have a point? Larry Flynt gives money to Democrats. Big deal. Lying to a Grand Jury? Clinton wouldn't be the first. But the *root* of the lie is still in pointless sex scandals. "2. Read the reference he cited; it is true that the founders were heavily influence by Christian tradition and the Bible. Their life's work is full of references to such. They were opposed to a state religion such as the Anglican Church was to merry old England. They knew that the success and longevity of our nation would be dependent on the moral character of its citizenry. Ben Franklin predicted that winning independence would be easier than keeping it." Ethics has nothing to do with religion. If you studied history, you'd know that most of our founding fathers were Kantian in their belief that "rights" and "liberty" were rational concepts. "3. Can you name the one person in this world who has done both of these things: counseled Bill Clinton about his infidelity with Lewinsky and visited Al Gore on the night he lost the presidential bid? Jesse Jackson; does he sound like "an unimportant member of the Democratic party?" Sure, Reps and Dems both have done sleazy things. When caught, they shouldn't just take a weekend of atonement and get back into the fray pretending to be the uber-conscience of the masses. Jackson is a sleazeball of the first order." Terrific. But, once again, big deal. Jackson probably isn't a great guy. Tons of Republicans aren't either. What influence does Jackson have on policy? The real flaw the Dems are exhibiting here is using Jackson as a link to racial diversity. I do have a problem with that, but it's no tthe one you'r e pointing out. "4. What do high-school dropouts and grad students have in common? Absolutely nothing except that they both vote overwhelmingly Democratic. What's wrong with this picture!!!!!!!!" Not just grad students... people with further education than a bachelors. Doctors, lawyers, etc as well as phd's. The original post was NOT amusing. It was an insulting piece of crap based on delusional conservative propoganda. A joke wouldn't have been deliberately insulting and rude. ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
I have been considering joining the Republican Party lately, and I have unearthed some interesting tidbits. 1. The Republicans have this great love for the fetus. I love the fetus too. But that fetus shouldn't be born. I mean, he can be born, but it should probably be to a family with a combined income of $50,000 or more, or we don't care about them. That is until they reach the age where they can join the military. 2. The Republican Party is considering changing the nation's flag to the Confederate flag. This would show that white people are in fact better than everything else and the term "Stars and Bars" would represent their desire to get rid of all people non-white, non-Christian, and non-straight. 3. The Republican party is working to make it necessary to pray to God in schools. Oh no, not just any God, it has to be there God. You know, the one that condones slavery and discriminates against homosexuals and believes in talking bushes. 4. The Republicans are working on solutions that would make it illegal for the wealthiest 1% to give any money to any person or organization that isn't the RNC or blood-related. Any money not given to these two entities must be taken to the grave with them. 5. Finally, the Republicans are working on plans to make our backward country more like the USA circa 1850. That's when the blacks and women knew their place and there weren't any homos!! I am sold! Vote Republican! Wow, I have a sense of humor too!!!!! ------------------ www.swirve.com "Pre-born, you're fine, pre-school, you're f*****."-George Carlin
Do you have a point? Larry Flynt gives money to Democrats. Big deal. Lying to a Grand Jury? Clinton wouldn't be the first. But the *root* of the lie is still in pointless sex scandals. What are you saying? Did the Democratic party pay for the inquiries into the personal lives of certain Republican figures? Or was it Flynt's private war? Okay so you think everyone who lies to the Grand Jury should just get away with it. That's nice! Ethics has nothing to do with religion. If you studied history, you'd know that most of our founding fathers were Kantian in their belief that "rights" and "liberty" were rational concepts. I'm not saying that ethics isn't rational but it does have lots to do with religion. In my world, we do allow overlapping. Terrific. But, once again, big deal. Jackson probably isn't a great guy. Tons of Republicans aren't either. What influence does Jackson have on policy? The real flaw the Dems are exhibiting here is using Jackson as a link to racial diversity. I do have a problem with that, but it's no tthe one you'r e pointing out. Jackson's influence is directly proportional to his ability to deliver votes which is also directly proportional to the perception that he is influential. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? It doesn't matter now because they are both with us. Not just grad students... people with further education than a bachelors. Doctors, lawyers, etc as well as phd's. What do grad students become? Doctors, Lawyers, PhDs et cetera; I knew what I was saying. Do those two groups (high school dropouts and smart-types) have ANYTHING ELSE IN COMMON? That justifies my suspicion. The original post was NOT amusing. It was an insulting piece of crap based on delusional conservative propoganda. A joke wouldn't have been deliberately insulting and rude. Where is your sense of humor? Excuse me now, I have to go get my daily does of conservative pablum on The Jerry Springer Show. ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils.
I forgot the big selling point. 6. Republicans are big defenders of the Bill of Rights!! Of course, their bill of rights only includes the 2nd amendment. Keep your hand off our guns and we can try to censor and eliminate speech all we want. Woohoo, I'm definitely in. I'm a funny guy, huh RichRocket?!?!? ------------------ www.swirve.com "Pre-born, you're fine, pre-school, you're f*****."-George Carlin
RichRocket: Larry Flynt: I don't really understand what our argument has devolved too, about that. We can just agree to disagree there. Grad students: What are you suspicious about? Those stats are pretty sound, and available if you want to do a little reasearch. I read about the breakdown first in a freshman polisci class. *shrug*... I thought you were just making a slander against grad students . Ethics: Religion can deal with ethics, but it's not essential. I think our founding fathers were more concerned with a priori ethics than religious morality. Jesse Jackson: Not really. Most of what Jackson is pushing for (stringent Aff action policies, etc) has been abandoned by the majority of the Dem party. He's pretty much simply cultural liaison with African-Americans. It would look "bad" to disassociate with him. I don't approve of this. He doesn't really deliver the African-American vote... they vote Dem, anyway, generally. But he probably could make it hard on the Democrats by making a ruckus about any "mistreatment." ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
Do those two groups (high school dropouts and smart-types) have ANYTHING ELSE IN COMMON? That justifies my suspicion. Yes, they have one other thing in common. They both have an underlying concern for & desire to improve the lowest economic classes of society. High school dropouts for personal reasons as they members of this group. "smart-types" because they understand that a strong lower & middle class is necessary for long-term growth of the economy. The middle & upper classes generally don't have as strong a desire in that respect. Middle classes tend to be more focused on their own survival, while the upper classes tend to be more focused on their own immediate wealth creation. ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
shanna: as one of my students used to say, "Horse Hockey!" Only a slim perdentage of grad students care about what you assert. I'm sure that's the first thing in the minds of those pre-med students and those law review candidates. Nice theories though; let me know when (and if) you find a publisher. haven: we can agree to disagree about Flynt if you are telling me it's okay to "blackmail" certain US Senators and Congressmen if they don't allow the President of the US to get away with lying to a Grand Jury and obstructing justice. I'll never agree to that. Rocketman95: What's wrong? We used to be able to talk about these things. Now you just go off on these silly rants. Which part were you serious about? That's the danger of humor.... ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. [This message has been edited by RichRocket (edited June 04, 2001).] [This message has been edited by RichRocket (edited June 04, 2001).]
RichRocket: 1. I don't consider what Clinton did to be sex, either. Sorry, but if my Great Aunt Hazel asked me if I'd had sexual relations with someone who'd given me a blowjob, I'd say "no" and feel honest. 2. The question was illegitimate. With all the witch-hunt propoganda concerning Clinton, there hasn't been enough focus on the fact that it was all a farce. Any self-respecting judge knew that Paula Jones' case was a complete joke, and in fact, it was originally thrown out. The question of perjury was contingent upon a political trial. I don't enough consideration is given to that. 3. At its routs, the entire thing was about sex. Read the rhetoric of the Republicans from the time: let me tell you, perjury was the last thing on their minds. 4. Most importantly - Independent of the Clinton issues, Republicans love to talk about sexual scandal. With all of their family values crap, I think that Flynt's exposures were fitting. ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001 [This message has been edited by haven (edited June 04, 2001).]
Only a slim perdentage of grad students care about what you assert. I'm sure that's the first thing in the minds of those pre-med students and those law review candidates. Pre-med students and law-review candidates are not exclusively a part of the "intellectual elite" -- they fit more into the middle classes and, accordingly, are more concerned about their own survival and happiness at that point. Some of those go on to the upper classes and turn to concerns over their own wealth creation. Others gravitate towards the "intellectual elite" mode. It's after that point where the liberal tendencies come into play. Its the lifetime students, the professors, the PHd in Philosophy or Economics or English people that I'm referring to in this case. This is the portion of the "upper class" that is known to be liberal. Beyond that, there are of course "sub-sections" that are known to be liberal or conservative. For example, teachers generally are middle class but tend to be Democrats. Farmers span the economic classes but tend to be Republicans. These are sometimes not be so much on idealist grounds as practical reasons -- those parties cater to those groups. However, looking at large groups as a whole, I stand by what as I said earlier. ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
I've never seen any statistics about this, but it would make sense to me that lawyers and doctors WOULD be democrats. Doctors: Generally advocate more liberal policies... poll substantially for medical mar1juana, hate HMO's, want better medical care for indigents, generally aren't radical Christians. Lawyers: Seem to fill the same role for Democrats that businessmen enact for Republicans. Generally, lawyers support liberal interpretations of the Constitution, liberal criminal codes, and and a classic liberal standpoint on the issue of "fundamental human dignity." Also, lawyers tend to be English and polisci majors who want to make money . Like, I'll probably end up being an attorny, because I have horrifying nightmares about being an indigent professor, which is what I'd do in an ideal world. I would wager that most lawyers and doctors are the "Reagan Democrats" - you know, the people who want their tax cut, but don't want Gary Bauer anywhere near public policy. ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
You doubt it? I damn well guarantee it would never happen! ------------------ I always thought "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm discovered". Now I think "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm found out".
Well there's only one way to find out, isn't there? ------------------ You're a fine woman, why don't you mock that draft up
Anybody ever read "The Light and The Glory" by Peter Marshall? Does haven's directly addressing him as a "complete idiot" and a "troll" count? Is it still there? Yes. The earlier assault was a general dismissal of Democrats-- which should offend no one in particular. ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. [This message has been edited by RichRocket (edited June 04, 2001).] [This message has been edited by RichRocket (edited June 04, 2001).]
Enough name calling everyone. Play nice or don't play at all. ------------------ The internet is about the free exchange and sale of other people's ideas. - Futurama
RichRocket: I call them as I see them. I've never called you an idiot. Nor have I ever called a true conservative *poster* anything really derogatory. Who have I insulted? Bob Rainey and this fellow. Both trolls. I don't insult people over political beliefs. I do insult people for ruining genuine discussion with trolling. Can you honestly tell me that any rational human being interested in discussion could possibly profess the ideas mentioned above? I really doubt it. If you can, you're incredibly generous. ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
And this started out as such a peaceful "getting to know ya" kind of thread. ------------------ They're loud, they're obnoxious and proud, They are conscious but don't forget that theeeey're your future, These kids are accused for all the violence, You can't even keep them silent, You...thought you had...all the answers...
haven: Did you or did you not write "Bela, you are a complete idiot"? Eexactly what did he say that is not correct? Granted, the original stuff about Hustler, etc was maybe over the top but it was not without MERIT. Flynt and Jackson have both been long been prominently associated with Democratic politicking in the past. The characterization of the Founding Fathers seems accurate; The Bible was continually referenced in their work. Weren't American colonists motivated by a desire to not have to join the Anglican Church. Seems like mostly they were seeking the freedom to have their own version of a Christian faith NOT the freedom to practice witchcraft or voodoo. Flynt spent money to be ready to take down Republican philanderers. I can well imagine how knowledge of the Monica Lewinsky affair could have been used to our disadvantage by enemies. Don't read his ideas as if he is asserting that every one of these things would have come about. They are possible. ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. [This message has been edited by RichRocket (edited June 04, 2001).]
